Everyone can look. But only a few can see.

[jjohnson]

So, you keep repeating the phrase, term, title, whatever: Ultimate SEEING and Execution (the capitalization of seeing is a new wrinkle, lol).

You've exceeded the usual level of ballyhoo here for a new thingie. Whatyagot?

Lou Figueroa
just spit it out, man

I have definitely decided that I will not be giving Ultimate SEEING and Execution away for free.
It is and will be worthy, in my opinion, of as much respect as any other paid instructional video.
Just not nearly as expensive.
The market will decide.
You know, when a player makes a really good or even great shot, even the pros
silently bump the butt of their cue stick on the floor, or after a match win there are the plenty of pats on the back.
When the public approves of a persons work and effort, one way to show their appreciation is to
pay or donate a nominal amount of money. It is a form of respect and honesty.
I liken Ultimate SEEING and Execution to the "erector set" of learning execution/performance of shot making.
It is completely new.
If nothing else it will not only improve nearly anyone's game significantly but
especially for those who are experiencing that "the thrill is gone" plateau,
it will make learning and practicing and playing pool fun again.
It will energize you giving your waning enthusiasm new life.
You can see that when I started this thread I was only talking about the concept of SEEING.
Then you will see I started taking about Ultimate SEEING.
Finally it has evolved into Ultimate SEEING and Execution.
This is a work in progress. It has and is developing.
I mentioned that it may take a month or two for the first results: a promo-like video.
Believe it or not, I am actually my own student of my own breakthrough, soon to be, instruction video.
I have already proven that it works.
I just need to learn it with consistency myself.
And the progress is improving on a day to day basis.
It is quite impressive to see.
Unfortunately the time I have available is limited.
So that is why the promo video will take a month or two.
I want to give myself enough leeway.

 

[jjohnson]

Eye SeeItAll. Eye commit to memory, the object ball’s 0.5mm, horizontal/vertical cueball contact point and 180 degrees opposite object ball’s horizontal/vertical contact point to the pocket center. Multiply vertical 0.5mm x the horizontal 0.5mm and you get 0.25mm squared(micro-dot, my ass) that is the cueball contact point, which never changes from the imaginary straight line from the center of the object ball to the center of the target pocket.

Hey. I didn't start "micro-dot." It was attributed to Mark Wilson by a previous poster in this thread.

 

[straightline]

So wordage then.

Tell us about Cole and the rest you've absorbed. You know, like facts.

 

[straightline]

We reap what you sow???

Trolls are like that.

Yeah they are!

 

[VarmintKong]

I believe all Gorst is doing is getting a better idea where all the balls are. So when he gets down on the shot he has a better sense of the 3-D layout or depth perception/relationship of the balls and pockets so he can more precisely line up his shot...
...but my concept of Ultimate SEEING and Execution will show/explain a process or technique or step by step mental "tool" that gets results guaranteed. The "micro-dot" will be revealed.

I knew that you would know better. Please show me your ways, O Great Funky Buddha!

I will humble myself in the presence of your almighty assgas. Let thine assgass illuminate the night sky. I will let your assgas simmer upon my olfactory adjudications. Let not my own ego get in the way of my teachers assgass, for he is the only one who knows the sight that has been unseen. Praise be to he!

 

[VarmintKong]

I have definitely decided that I will not be giving Ultimate SEEING and Execution away for free.
It is and will be worthy, in my opinion, of as much respect as any other paid instructional video.
Just not nearly as expensive.
The market will decide...

...You can see that when I started this thread I was only talking about the concept of SEEING.
Then you will see I started taking about Ultimate SEEING.
Finally it has evolved into Ultimate SEEING and Execution.

Hallelujah and lay your hands upon the pool cue of your saviour.

Dig deep in the pockets of your wife as she is sleeping. For she can not know the money you are spending to learn from the Great Benefactor of Pool.

May his vengeance be swift and retribution everlasting, praise be. I fear him more than the woman who withholds the legendary poo-na-née.

 

[straightline]

Keep an eye out for raptors...

 

[jjohnson]

"I think I'll have the special tonight."
"Oh, excellent choice, sir. Tonight's special is crow. How would you like that cooked, sir."
"Let's leave that up to the cook."
"You are the adventurous type. The cook just loves a challenge."

 

[straightline]

"I think I'll have the special tonight."
"Oh, excellent choice, sir. Tonight's special is crow. How would you like that cooked, sir."
"Let's leave that up to the cook."
"You are the adventurous type. The cook just loves a challenge."

Talking to me? D'I miss something?

 

[lfigueroa]

I have definitely decided that I will not be giving Ultimate SEEING and Execution away for free.
It is and will be worthy, in my opinion, of as much respect as any other paid instructional video.
Just not nearly as expensive.
The market will decide.
You know, when a player makes a really good or even great shot, even the pros
silently bump the butt of their cue stick on the floor, or after a match win there are the plenty of pats on the back.
When the public approves of a persons work and effort, one way to show their appreciation is to
pay or donate a nominal amount of money. It is a form of respect and honesty.
I liken Ultimate SEEING and Execution to the "erector set" of learning execution/performance of shot making.
It is completely new.
If nothing else it will not only improve nearly anyone's game significantly but
especially for those who are experiencing that "the thrill is gone" plateau,
it will make learning and practicing and playing pool fun again.
It will energize you giving your waning enthusiasm new life.
You can see that when I started this thread I was only talking about the concept of SEEING.
Then you will see I started taking about Ultimate SEEING.
Finally it has evolved into Ultimate SEEING and Execution.
This is a work in progress. It has and is developing.
I mentioned that it may take a month or two for the first results: a promo-like video.
Believe it or not, I am actually my own student of my own breakthrough, soon to be, instruction video.
I have already proven that it works.
I just need to learn it with consistency myself.
And the progress is improving on a day to day basis.
It is quite impressive to see.
Unfortunately the time I have available is limited.
So that is why the promo video will take a month or two.
I want to give myself enough leeway.

Good luck with your project.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Black-Balled]

I had a steady customer ( nice guy) and he rapped the cue on the rail and broke the shaft and then he broke the butt. He said he should be winning with the spot I was giving him (6-red snooker) and he's quitting me for life. Two days later he came to the poolroom and looked at me and said ok let's play lol. Treat your customers with respect goes a long way I say. I was already over spotting him and robbing him and could've given up another 1 or 2 black balls but he might've been insulted.

Watch yourself there, buddy.

 

[Texas Carom Club]

Everyone looks at any given pool shot in exactly the same way. Players to rail birds. But not everyone SEES that shot the same way. I'm only talking about the balls and the lay on the table, not how to approach how to shoot the shot (different matter.) Seeing ranges from total darkness to crystal clarity. This is one thing that distinguishes mediocre players from great players. Even if you have perfect physical sight, you may still not be SEEING the balls. SEEING the balls perfectly intuitively instinctively is a god given gift. Only the best players have this ability. But did you know that you can be taught how to consciously SEE the balls? "Knowledge is power." It is money, as well. There are some online instructions that "spill the beans" so to speak. The knowledge they reveal definitely can take your game to the next level. But even they will not tell you everything they know. You just need to read many of the posts here to get a glimpse of the attitudes of some people toward other posters. Do you think they would share anything that would enhance your competitiveness to the detriment of their own? And even the personable posters may be reluctant to share the "truths" that they have garnered over the years. Life's lessons usually don't come cheap.

I look and just see a bunch of words I’m not gonna read

 

[jjohnson]

The general consensus in this thread is that its forum members believe in sharing their pool knowledge and techniques to help other players.
Here is a simple pool technique related question but a very important one.
Imagine an object ball and cue ball anywhere on the table.
You have decided which pocket you want to make the object ball in.
Question: how do you determine the exact contact point on the object ball where the cue ball and object ball meet to make the shot?
Constraints: the cue ball and object ball well off any rails. cue ball center ball hit with no english.
Looking for your simplest explanation for precise determination of any object ball's contact point with any cue ball.
Thank you, in advance.

 

[straightline]

The general consensus in this thread is that its forum members believe in sharing their pool knowledge and techniques to help other players.
Here is a simple pool technique related question but a very important one.
Imagine an object ball and cue ball anywhere on the table.
You have decided which pocket you want to make the object ball in.
Question: how do you determine the exact contact point on the object ball where the cue ball and object ball meet to make the shot?
Constraints: the cue ball and object ball well off any rails. cue ball center ball hit with no english.
Looking for your simplest explanation for precise determination of any object ball's contact point with any cue ball.
Thank you, in advance.

You don't. It's there for you to determine?
Go look at the Paint drawings and pretend they were done in annoyance.

 

[jjohnson]

I hope the other forum members have been reading what some of your "friends" on this board have been saying: where they have been coming from. Do you still think they are good guys? What help have they offered in this thread?

Check it out...

I know it has only been at most just a day since I asked if anyone could or cared to tell us how they identify/locate the cue ball/object ball contact point. Probably most of you have not even had an opportunity to catch up with this thread so I understand. Nevertheless, I am going to answer VVP: "My interest is how do you identify that micro-dot even at an amateur level?"

I can't wait for any of you know-it-alls to pooh pooh what I am about to explain saying, "of course, everyone already knew that," or "it's all BS," etc. Just try it. Then offer some rock solid proof you are right. Just try.

Hold on. I'll get to it in just a moment.

I did not mean to mislead anyone by implying that my development of Ultimate SEEING and Execution just emerged from the beginning of this thread. What came together starting at the beginning of this thread is the result of at least 10 years of recent continuous serious thinking about the essence of pool. I probably have more than a thousand audio clips I recorded myself of my own observations and conclusions about pool that I've come up with. Watched some good video lessons and pro matches. Spent many hours banging my head against the wall practicing pool. Read a few books. Etc.

Had one more thing to say but, thankfully, I forgot. Now on with the show.

The following could be considered a promo-tease. Anyway...

Oh, I remember: the specific technique/tool I am about to describe is only about 30% of the full specific technique/tool, in other words, I am about to describe only the beginning of this specific technique/tool, a partial description. It will give you an idea of the possibilities, and a tease at that.

This is the only proviso: I have been disappointed before. On occasion I have come up with something entirely on my own only to find out later that someone else had already thought of it. Quite a disappointment. Hope this doesn't happen here. I am sure if it does someone here will let us know. But they will have to prove it. I believe what follows is original.

Here goes: Visualize the object ball. Ideally a perfect sphere 2.25" in diameter. Now visualize the thinnest horizontal plane that slices precisely through the center of the object ball. Let's call the line that this plane makes with the outer edge of the object ball the equator. Now, the cue ball has the same dimensions as the object ball. Both balls rest on the horizontal table top. So whenever the cue ball makes contact with the object ball, the contact point always lies somewhere along the equator. At contact, the center of the cue ball is always 2.25" from the center of the object ball. And the center of the cue ball is always 1.125" from the contact point. This is the set up. What follows never gets any more complicated than this.

Visualize the object ball as the face of a clock. 12 noon, 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock, etc. Let's say you want to cut the object ball to the left by 30 degrees. Find the 1 o'clock position on the edge of the object ball. Now visualize dropping a vertical line straight down from the 1 o'clock position. Where this line intersects the object ball equator is the contact point.

Let's say you want to cut the object ball to the left by 60 degrees. Find the 2 o'clock position on the edge of the object ball. Now visualize dropping a vertical line straight down from the 2 o'clock position. Where this line intersects the object ball equator is the contact point.

From 12 noon to 3 PM covers 90 degrees.

So, VVP, do you now understand? Is it clear enough for you? Piece of cake, right?

Here is my previous post above in this thread asking for participation:

[The general consensus in this thread is that its forum members believe in sharing their pool knowledge and techniques to help other players.
Here is a simple pool technique related question but a very important one.
Imagine an object ball and cue ball anywhere on the table.
You have decided which pocket you want to make the object ball in.
Question: how do you determine the exact contact point on the object ball where the cue ball and object ball meet to make the shot?
Constraints: the cue ball and object ball well off any rails. cue ball center ball hit with no english.
Looking for your simplest explanation for precise determination of any object ball's contact point with any cue ball.
Thank you, in advance.]

 

[straightline]

Gotta say, bisecting the object ball is part of CG and Reciprocal sections/overlap. It is as accurate a look as anything else in CG.
The thing about /seeing/ is it's the culmination of mastery and the miyun bwallz. Not the beginning by any stretch.

I can't speak for all players but any size cueball is usually covered by pocket slack and familiarity.

 

[bbb]

I hope the other forum members have been reading what some of your "friends" on this board have been saying: where they have been coming from. Do you still think they are good guys? What help have they offered in this thread?

Check it out...

I know it has only been at most just a day since I asked if anyone could or cared to tell us how they identify/locate the cue ball/object ball contact point. Probably most of you have not even had an opportunity to catch up with this thread so I understand. Nevertheless, I am going to answer VVP: "My interest is how do you identify that micro-dot even at an amateur level?"

I can't wait for any of you know-it-alls to pooh pooh what I am about to explain saying, "of course, everyone already knew that," or "it's all BS," etc. Just try it. Then offer some rock solid proof you are right. Just try.

Hold on. I'll get to it in just a moment.

I did not mean to mislead anyone by implying that my development of Ultimate SEEING and Execution just emerged from the beginning of this thread. What came together starting at the beginning of this thread is the result of at least 10 years of recent continuous serious thinking about the essence of pool. I probably have more than a thousand audio clips I recorded myself of my own observations and conclusions about pool that I've come up with. Watched some good video lessons and pro matches. Spent many hours banging my head against the wall practicing pool. Read a few books. Etc.

Had one more thing to say but, thankfully, I forgot. Now on with the show.

The following could be considered a promo-tease. Anyway...

Oh, I remember: the specific technique/tool I am about to describe is only about 30% of the full specific technique/tool, in other words, I am about to describe only the beginning of this specific technique/tool, a partial description. It will give you an idea of the possibilities, and a tease at that.

This is the only proviso: I have been disappointed before. On occasion I have come up with something entirely on my own only to find out later that someone else had already thought of it. Quite a disappointment. Hope this doesn't happen here. I am sure if it does someone here will let us know. But they will have to prove it. I believe what follows is original.

Here goes: Visualize the object ball. Ideally a perfect sphere 2.25" in diameter. Now visualize the thinnest horizontal plane that slices precisely through the center of the object ball. Let's call the line that this plane makes with the outer edge of the object ball the equator. Now, the cue ball has the same dimensions as the object ball. Both balls rest on the horizontal table top. So whenever the cue ball makes contact with the object ball, the contact point always lies somewhere along the equator. At contact, the center of the cue ball is always 2.25" from the center of the object ball. And the center of the cue ball is always 1.125" from the contact point. This is the set up. What follows never gets any more complicated than this.

Visualize the object ball as the face of a clock. 12 noon, 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock, etc. Let's say you want to cut the object ball to the left by 30 degrees. Find the 1 o'clock position on the edge of the object ball. Now visualize dropping a vertical line straight down from the 1 o'clock position. Where this line intersects the object ball equator is the contact point.

Let's say you want to cut the object ball to the left by 60 degrees. Find the 2 o'clock position on the edge of the object ball. Now visualize dropping a vertical line straight down from the 2 o'clock position. Where this line intersects the object ball equator is the contact point.

From 12 noon to 3 PM covers 90 degrees.

So, VVP, do you now understand? Is it clear enough for you? Piece of cake, right?

Here is my previous post above in this thread asking for participation:

[The general consensus in this thread is that its forum members believe in sharing their pool knowledge and techniques to help other players.
Here is a simple pool technique related question but a very important one.
Imagine an object ball and cue ball anywhere on the table.
You have decided which pocket you want to make the object ball in.
Question: how do you determine the exact contact point on the object ball where the cue ball and object ball meet to make the shot?
Constraints: the cue ball and object ball well off any rails. cue ball center ball hit with no english.
Looking for your simplest explanation for precise determination of any object ball's contact point with any cue ball.
Thank you, in advance.]

this diagram doesnt mention a clock but you can "see" the info

 

[VVP]

I hope the other forum members have been reading what some of your "friends" on this board have been saying: where they have been coming from. Do you still think they are good guys? What help have they offered in this thread?

Check it out...

I know it has only been at most just a day since I asked if anyone could or cared to tell us how they identify/locate the cue ball/object ball contact point. Probably most of you have not even had an opportunity to catch up with this thread so I understand. Nevertheless, I am going to answer VVP: "My interest is how do you identify that micro-dot even at an amateur level?"

I can't wait for any of you know-it-alls to pooh pooh what I am about to explain saying, "of course, everyone already knew that," or "it's all BS," etc. Just try it. Then offer some rock solid proof you are right. Just try.

Hold on. I'll get to it in just a moment.

I did not mean to mislead anyone by implying that my development of Ultimate SEEING and Execution just emerged from the beginning of this thread. What came together starting at the beginning of this thread is the result of at least 10 years of recent continuous serious thinking about the essence of pool. I probably have more than a thousand audio clips I recorded myself of my own observations and conclusions about pool that I've come up with. Watched some good video lessons and pro matches. Spent many hours banging my head against the wall practicing pool. Read a few books. Etc.

Had one more thing to say but, thankfully, I forgot. Now on with the show.

The following could be considered a promo-tease. Anyway...

Oh, I remember: the specific technique/tool I am about to describe is only about 30% of the full specific technique/tool, in other words, I am about to describe only the beginning of this specific technique/tool, a partial description. It will give you an idea of the possibilities, and a tease at that.

This is the only proviso: I have been disappointed before. On occasion I have come up with something entirely on my own only to find out later that someone else had already thought of it. Quite a disappointment. Hope this doesn't happen here. I am sure if it does someone here will let us know. But they will have to prove it. I believe what follows is original.

Here goes: Visualize the object ball. Ideally a perfect sphere 2.25" in diameter. Now visualize the thinnest horizontal plane that slices precisely through the center of the object ball. Let's call the line that this plane makes with the outer edge of the object ball the equator. Now, the cue ball has the same dimensions as the object ball. Both balls rest on the horizontal table top. So whenever the cue ball makes contact with the object ball, the contact point always lies somewhere along the equator. At contact, the center of the cue ball is always 2.25" from the center of the object ball. And the center of the cue ball is always 1.125" from the contact point. This is the set up. What follows never gets any more complicated than this.

Visualize the object ball as the face of a clock. 12 noon, 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock, etc. Let's say you want to cut the object ball to the left by 30 degrees. Find the 1 o'clock position on the edge of the object ball. Now visualize dropping a vertical line straight down from the 1 o'clock position. Where this line intersects the object ball equator is the contact point.

Let's say you want to cut the object ball to the left by 60 degrees. Find the 2 o'clock position on the edge of the object ball. Now visualize dropping a vertical line straight down from the 2 o'clock position. Where this line intersects the object ball equator is the contact point.

From 12 noon to 3 PM covers 90 degrees.

So, VVP, do you now understand? Is it clear enough for you? Piece of cake, right?

Here is my previous post above in this thread asking for participation:

[The general consensus in this thread is that its forum members believe in sharing their pool knowledge and techniques to help other players.
Here is a simple pool technique related question but a very important one.
Imagine an object ball and cue ball anywhere on the table.
You have decided which pocket you want to make the object ball in.
Question: how do you determine the exact contact point on the object ball where the cue ball and object ball meet to make the shot?
Constraints: the cue ball and object ball well off any rails. cue ball center ball hit with no english.
Looking for your simplest explanation for precise determination of any object ball's contact point with any cue ball.
Thank you, in advance.]

I get what you are saying. In fact, since you do not play with a protractor in your pocket the easiest way to identify a 30 degree cut is when your aim line passes through the edge of the OB ...at least that's the way I understand it.

I think the micro-dot on the equator has to be adjusted for things like speed, deflection, the various type of throws, etc. and that's where the practice and muscle memory comes in. I have seen people saying that the contact point never changes regardless of the cut-angle, speed, etc. and I don't believe this is correct ... I can be wrong.

Anyway, here is a bit more about the question I asked about what Gorst is looking at when he stands behind the line connecting the OB and the pocket. I heard in a commentary that Allison Fisher said that he is looking at where the OB should enter the pocket, so basically marking the pocket per my interpretation of what she said. I saw Gorst at a tournament and asked him and initially he said that he is looking at the pocket then he said no, no I am looking at the spot on the OB. I then asked him how he remembers the spot because often he does not not keep fixated on the OB while walking back to the CB position and he smiled and said "I know." Maybe he has the ability to calculate the cut angle which us amateur has no idea about doing.

 

[straightline]

You can remember the orientation of the contact point to other details on the ball. The number, stripes etc... scratches are especially useful.
Also, once you have determined the alignment of points you can aim the cue ball carom. Much bigger than points, always directly in the shot field, and more relevant to the complete shot.

 

[VVP]

You can remember the orientation of the contact point to other details on the ball. The number, stripes etc... scratches are especially useful.
Also, once you have determined the alignment of points you can aim the cue ball carom. Much bigger than points, always directly in the shot field, and more relevant to the complete shot.

What about plain balls without even numbers as FXBilliards suggests you should use for practice?