I don't understand that shot. As diagramed, aren't you going to just miss the OB, which I assume is the upper ball? To hit the OB, you have to aim into the OB at least a little, and how much you tick the OB is just feel isn't it?
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If I am cueing over a ball and only need to make the object ball with slow speed, I tighten my grip. If I need to move the cueball around a bit and have pinpoint position, I tend to loosen my grip a bit.
If the object ball is far away from the cueball, I pay more attention on lining up which usually means I get behind and down on the shot slower and avoid making any practice strokes until my body is in position and lined up correctly.
If the object ball is far away from the cueball, I pay more attention on lining up which usually means I get behind and down on the shot slower and avoid making any practice strokes until my body is in position and lined up correctly.
Flakeandrun
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Close to the rail where I can only hit the CB with top, I will use a slip stroke. Not all the time, based on feel.
Using a loop bridge used to be really foreign to me (coming from a snooker background), but have grown to employ this often for shots with extreme top spin.
Jumping side arm, or straight down the line. Based on feel. Whether I use a jump cue or break cue for this, also dependent on shot.
Wrist 'through the ball' on deep screw.
Breaking for 10ball, I have some body lift. Every other break I stay down through the stroke.
Probably think of some other things, but back to work sat at my desk waiting for coffee to kick in.
Why slip stroke with cue ball on the rail? Seems complicating a complicated shot?
Flakeandrun
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I was talking with a few Taiwanese players about this a while back, among them Big and middle Ko (who also do this).
It's using natural impetus to ensure the line of the cue through the ball, when a firmer grip can potentially cause more deviation against the edge of the rail. I think it's a 'feel' based rule when applying it. I find it works well for me, and I am not at a level to critique other players who I know employ this method.
It's an arbitrary thin cut to the corner. Point is check the tangent from above. That tangent is the direction you should be cueing.
close to the rail use the stroke you are most comfortable with.
but like with a golf swing most times your stroke is the same stroke. just different speeds.
and usually its best to use the same stroke and speed for all shots unless you cant get your shot and position right with your hit on the cue ball.
as that is more consistent than to adjust your speed of your stroke.
you notice good bankers try to hit their banks the same speed.
but like with a golf swing most times your stroke is the same stroke. just different speeds.
and usually its best to use the same stroke and speed for all shots unless you cant get your shot and position right with your hit on the cue ball.
as that is more consistent than to adjust your speed of your stroke.
you notice good bankers try to hit their banks the same speed.
Flakeandrun
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Longer shots I find myself often employing a slight slip to the stroke.
I think banking is relative to the shot required - I think of it like the exposure triangle in photography (ISO, shutter speed and aperture = speed, spin and angle required). There are certain shots I approach the same, but I wouldn't be aiming to hit all banks at an identical speed.
you do want to hit banks at the same speed. but naturally do change it to fit conditions of the shot.
like you want to shorten or lengthen the rail. or for position. i didn't say all. never say all. as can always find many exceptions.
and a slip stroke for long shots is wonderful for those that can do it properly.
like you want to shorten or lengthen the rail. or for position. i didn't say all. never say all. as can always find many exceptions.
and a slip stroke for long shots is wonderful for those that can do it properly.
When I see people mention a slip stroke, I’m still always left wondering if they are referring to a “slip stroke” or a “reverse slip stroke” in terms of the definitions I’m familiar with.
I tend to think it's sliding the hand back and stroking from that point although tossing the cue is also a slip stroke - stroke slip as FC decided in the Aim Pit.
@Flakeandrun
Is it a slip stroke or stroke slip just to be clear?
Is it a slip stroke or stroke slip just to be clear?
When cueing a CB that's frozen or extremely close to the rail. Place additional weight on the shaft and utilize the cushion to keep the shaft straight. This allows you to generate more power without threat of miscue as well.
Suppose the difficulty of the above is dependent of the shooter's mechanics. I learnt the technique back in my snooker days. So I literally just press my chin into the cue a little more.
Oh and with using the mechanical bridge. Stop using a vertical forearm or any angle other than horizontal. Blows my mind at how bad pool players are with a rake.
Suppose the difficulty of the above is dependent of the shooter's mechanics. I learnt the technique back in my snooker days. So I literally just press my chin into the cue a little more.
Oh and with using the mechanical bridge. Stop using a vertical forearm or any angle other than horizontal. Blows my mind at how bad pool players are with a rake.
I listened to a very good 3c player teach a newbie how to shoot a back and fourth and back again shot and only go about 6 inches from the original line. His description of grip and jab stroke were interesting because he knew it worked but he couldn't explain why it worked.
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Flakeandrun
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I don't know the difference in all honesty, or if you're yanking my chain, there's a lot of nonsense jargon that comes with pool... The cue is allowed to slip forward an inch or two of the grip hand in the instance of the aforementioned shot.
Yup agree with you, I do the same for snooker and Chinese-8, (also when possible on the American table) but American tables don't always have the most precise cushions, and often the cushions are harder and wider (if that makes sense).
Flakeandrun
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I see, and no. The cue is moving forward an inch or so through the hand.