What differences are there in the JFlowers’ $200, $250 and $400 carbon-fiber shafts?

I definitely prefer the
In a video probably done by JFlowers, there is that comparison of robot testing Revo, Cynergy, Mezz Ignite, SMO, and maple. Apparently the robot hits the balls very fast.

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I definitely prefer the wood because I rather hit and stroke the ball with a certain power versus having to lay off on a shot.

What that video showed me is how effective a carbon shaft can be for breaking when you are actually hitting the damn ball hard depending on the game you play.
 
In a video probably done by JFlowers, there is that comparison of robot testing Revo, Cynergy, Mezz Ignite, SMO, and maple. Apparently the robot hits the balls very fast.

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Yes, I saw that, but no where did it indicate shaft diameter. Also the mezz shaft was the 3 cushion version, not the standard mezz ignite. I assume all of these "minor details" were left out intentionally to make the SMO appear to be the best.
 
Yes, I saw that, but no where did it indicate shaft diameter. Also the mezz shaft was the 3 cushion version, not the standard mezz ignite. I assume all of these "minor details" were left out intentionally to make the SMO appear to be the best.
Oh thanks.

Probably using a shit maple shaft. I have one so bad that I keep it in the bag. My friend won't bring his cue and always ask to use mine so I give him that cue. LOL
 
IMHO if you believe in Magic, you will love a Carbon Shaft.

I believe Magic is BS, and learned how huckster we call Migicans entertain people with illusion.

Makes Magician debunked Magic for what is it, props, distraction, and bs.
 
IMHO if you believe in Magic, you will love a Carbon Shaft.

I believe Magic is BS, and learned how huckster we call Migicans entertain people with illusion.

Makes Magician debunked Magic for what is it, props, distraction, and bs.
In the beginning,

Nothing. No space (try that one sometime) no energy, no potential and naturally, here we are. Oh yeah there was no time either so it never happened - still hasn't. All scientifically...
 
IMHO if you believe in Magic, you will love a Carbon Shaft.

I believe Magic is BS, and learned how huckster we call Migicans entertain people with illusion.

Makes Magician debunked Magic for what is it, props, distraction, and bs.

Glad to see you back here cowboy! I hope you're doing well.

Wood definitely feels much better than carbon, but carbon doesn't dent. So it's got at least one advantage! I hated ironing out dings in my wood shafts, such a pain.
 
Most Pool players are like Golfers. Can’t plsy for 💩, but think they can by Skill with New Cue, or Club.

Only way to get BETTER at any SKILL YOU SUCK at is Practice.

You can buy instructional material, take lessons, but if you don’t practice you waisting money..

JMHO
 
It would be great to see an actual comparison using a robot and all the shafts. Thats the only way to know for sure.
A robot may be able to give you some specific differences in hard numbers, but you can tell simply by missing with spin and seeing how and where it missed. I know with the Revo and the SMO shaft, if I adjust by more than a smidge, the ball misses. With others it has a varying amount going from "a bit" to "a lot". I know the Cynergy, Meucchis, Jacoby, etc.. is not a bit or a lot, so it's about average for LD.

The picture you added from JF is pretty much what I experienced with the shafts. The Z3 wood shaft is very low deflection also, it's probably at the level of the Ignite.
 
A robot may be able to give you some specific differences in hard numbers, but you can tell simply by missing with spin and seeing how and where it missed. I know with the Revo and the SMO shaft, if I adjust by more than a smidge, the ball misses. With others it has a varying amount going from "a bit" to "a lot". I know the Cynergy, Meucchis, Jacoby, etc.. is not a bit or a lot, so it's about average for LD.

The picture you added from JF is pretty much what I experienced with the shafts. The Z3 wood shaft is very low deflection also, it's probably at the level of the Ignite.
Robotic testing is useful because the results are more repeatable and consistent than with a human, and power shots are really the biggest difference between shafts.

I can take an 11.8mm revo, cynergy, Z, or 12.2mm ignite and play shots with maximum spin, and make them all with zero adjustment, but I generally don't fire balls in. If you're someone that shoots hard, then the deflection becomes more prominent. Even a full 13mm high deflection shaft needs only minor adjustment at slow speeds.
 
What that video showed me is how effective a carbon shaft can be for breaking when you are actually hitting the damn ball hard depending on the game you play.
Robotic testing is useful because the results are more repeatable and consistent than with a human, and power shots are really the biggest difference between shafts.
What tip diameters are being used here? Also, what does it look like when they compare an 11.8 revo, cynergy, etc.

I would imagine that the smaller diameter shafts will have lower deflection still, better than this SMO.
There is another deflection test of SMO and is done by the same Philly Fingers that hosted the YouTube video of the secret JFlowers’ deflection test (post #5 above). He tested JFlowers SMO, JFlowers Classic, Cuetec Cynergy, and Predator Revo for deflection. Although a well-designed test, his conclusions were vague and he presented no data. He posted the video in November 2023.

The test corrected AZers’ complaints of the JFlowers’ test by doing the following: i) all cues had a Taom cue tip; ii) all shafts were 12.5mm except Revo's 12.4mm; iii) all shafts had radial pins; iv) all shafts used the same butt; and v) the speed was normal because he did not use a robot (Gustav noted, however, that high speeds are better for detecting deflection differences). Philly Fingers did not measure deflection but instead tested aiming the cue ball between closely spaced balls at the other end of the pool table. There was little deflection if the cue ball would bounce to the left due to the left spin applied and if the other ball was not hit.

His results were that the “the SMO definitely is an upgrade over the Original Classic, but that said, it also performed extremely well against the Revo and the Cuetec Cynergy. Since they all performed equally well, you can't go wrong with any.”

This result may be right that the SMO, Cynergy and Revo all performed equally well at that speed. Its contradictory claiming that the SMO is “definitely an upgrade of the Original Classic” but that “they all performed equally well”. A disappointing experiment since there is no video of the Classic bouncing the 1 or 4 ball or the percentages of each shaft not hitting the 4 ball.

From the transcript of Philly Fingers video:
I'll be performing a deflection test on four different carbon fiber shafts starting with the JFlowers brand new Smo. I'll also be testing the classic JFlowers original carbon fiber shaft as well as the Predator Revo and, finally, the Cuetec Cynergy.

In order to make the test fairest possible and keep the conditions as close as possible, all the shafts are 12.5 mm except for the Revo at 12.4. Also, all the shafts have brand new Taom tips. I removed all the originals. And finally all the shafts are radial pins which enables me to swap them in and out utilizing the exact same but.

The deflection test I like to use is the one where I take two object balls place them on the short rail of a 9 foot table. I put them close enough to where only a cue ball can fit in between the two leaving just a little bit of space. I then go to the opposite rail and I try to shoot the ball all the way down, first, center ball to make sure my alignment and my stroke is correct. If done correctly I should not make any contact with the one or the four ball. I should perfectly come right back to the tip of my cue.

Once I've completed that I then start the actual deflection test which is the exact same thing except now I will be striking aiming off center. In these examples I am going to always be striking to the left given extreme left spin on the cue ball. If done correctly I should be able to fit the cue ball in between that gap---in between that space that I left open. And have enough spin where [the ball] would then hit the rail and only contact the one ball. [It] should not move the four ball at all.

After 10 attempts for each shaft, it was clear to me that the SMO definitely is an upgrade over the Original Classic, but that said, it also performed extremely well against the Revo and the Cuetec Cynergy. Since they all performed equally well, you can't go wrong with any.

Now that said, it's now a matter of preference whether it's the aesthetics, the look, the silver trim that the SMO has, the white ferrule. You can't go wrong with either one but the next thing I look at is price. And for me that's where the SMO wins hands down above the others. You get a quality shaft that can compete with the other brands but at a lower price.

 
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There is another deflection test of SMO and is done by the same Philly Fingers that hosted the YouTube video of the secret JFlowers’ deflection test (post #5 above). He tested JFlowers SMO, JFlowers Classic, Cuetec Cynergy, and Predator Revo for deflection. Although a well-designed test, his conclusions were vague and he presented no data. He posted the video in November 2023.

The test corrected AZers’ complaints of the JFlowers’ test by doing the following: i) all cues had a Taom cue tip; ii) all shafts were 12.5mm except Revo's 12.4mm; iii) all shafts had radial pins; iv) all shafts used the same butt; and v) the speed was normal because he did not use a robot (Gustav noted, however, that high speeds are better for detecting deflection differences). Philly Fingers did not measure deflection but instead tested aiming the cue ball between closely spaced balls at the other end of the pool table. There was little deflection if the cue ball would bounce to the left due to the left spin applied and if the other ball was not hit.

His results were that the “the SMO definitely is an upgrade over the Original Classic, but that said, it also performed extremely well against the Revo and the Cuetec Cynergy. Since they all performed equally well, you can't go wrong with any.”

This result may be right that the SMO, Cynergy and Revo all performed equally well at that speed. Its contradictory claiming that the SMO is “definitely an upgrade of the Original Classic” but that “they all performed equally well”. A disappointing experiment since there is no video of the Classic bouncing the 1 or 4 ball or the percentages of each shaft not hitting the 4 ball.

From the transcript of Philly Fingers video:
I'll be performing a deflection test on four different carbon fiber shafts starting with the JFlowers brand new Smo. I'll also be testing the classic JFlowers original carbon fiber shaft as well as the Predator Revo and, finally, the Cuetec Cynergy.

In order to make the test fairest possible and keep the conditions as close as possible, all the shafts are 12.5 mm except for the Revo at 12.4. Also, all the shafts have brand new Taom tips. I removed all the originals. And finally all the shafts are radial pins which enables me to swap them in and out utilizing the exact same but.

The deflection test I like to use is the one where I take two object balls place them on the short rail of a 9 foot table. I put them close enough to where only a cue ball can fit in between the two leaving just a little bit of space. I then go to the opposite rail and I try to shoot the ball all the way down, first, center ball to make sure my alignment and my stroke is correct. If done correctly I should not make any contact with the one or the four ball. I should perfectly come right back to the tip of my cue.

Once I've completed that I then start the actual deflection test which is the exact same thing except now I will be striking aiming off center. In these examples I am going to always be striking to the left given extreme left spin on the cue ball. If done correctly I should be able to fit the cue ball in between that gap---in between that space that I left open. And have enough spin where [the ball] would then hit the rail and only contact the one ball. [It] should not move the four ball at all.

After 10 attempts for each shaft, it was clear to me that the SMO definitely is an upgrade over the Original Classic, but that said, it also performed extremely well against the Revo and the Cuetec Cynergy. Since they all performed equally well, you can't go wrong with any.

Now that said, it's now a matter of preference whether it's the aesthetics, the look, the silver trim that the SMO has, the white ferrule. You can't go wrong with either one but the next thing I look at is price. And for me that's where the SMO wins hands down above the others. You get a quality shaft that can compete with the other brands but at a lower price.

Great I may get one just to fill my bag. Don't like the extra space.
 
I don't get why you are so interested in this? Are you in the market? Just buy all 3 and return the 2 (or 3) you don't like.
 
I don't get why you are so interested in this?
My interest is this. The Revo’s first generation shaft is many years old. Nonetheless, it still is the dominant cue shaft and has the lowest deflection. Why hasn’t something else — even a Revo II been produced that replaces it? Why hasn’t some other cue maker been able to make a lower-deflection carbon fiber shaft? Why hasn’t some cue maker at least made wild fraudulent marketing claiming its got a lower-deflection Revo replacement? JFlowers put much effort into making a better Revo but even its own deflection tests have it similar but a little more than the Revo---just like many other shafts. I thought some cue maker would have produced by now super-light front-end shafts with less deflection than Revo.
 
My interest is this. The Revo’s first generation shaft is many years old. Nonetheless, it still is the dominant cue shaft and has the lowest deflection. Why hasn’t something else — even a Revo II been produced that replaces it? Why hasn’t some other cue maker been able to make a lower-deflection carbon fiber shaft? Why hasn’t some cue maker at least made wild fraudulent marketing claiming its got a lower-deflection Revo replacement? JFlowers put much effort into making a better Revo but even its own deflection tests have it similar but a little more than the Revo---just like many other shafts. I thought some cue maker would have produced by now super-light front-end shafts with less deflection than Revo.
In the 25 years of the wood 314's, no competitor has come out with a lower deflection wood shaft. Now it's been the same in the CF days. IDK why. Predator is just better.
 
In the 25 years of the wood 314's, no competitor has come out with a lower deflection wood shaft. Now it's been the same in the CF days. IDK why. Predator is just better.
Jacoby put one out with more laminates. I don't know how it performs in terms of deflection.
Jacoby Ultra Pro Low Deflection Shaft ...

Jacoby Ultra Super Pro Pool Cue Shaft ...
 
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I like the ring but the extra $200 is killing me.
My older cues look odd without that ring.

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CF "shafts" changed the entire aesthetic that works for the "butt". The color is now cold, instead of warm. There is no joint ring. They are just a poor match, IMO, to most prior butts. I went from 20 years of 314's custom matched to custom butts, to buying a complete predator butt when I changed to the revo shaft, so it had cold colors and a proper joint aesthetic to match the revo.
 
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