Starting again after 20 years - where to start, please?

In my case, my pool game suffered a great deal after a long layoff. But at least I was accustomed to the sights, smells, etiquette and bullshit which goes along with a pool hall. Half the battle!;)
Haha...that will never go away. No matter how much they try to make it family friendly.
 
I was fairly good but I played junior. I never played adult league.
As a kid I used to practice 10+ hours a day on the weekends and sometimes I would do 2hours in the evening during the week if I was allowed to. Eventually, I've found a girlfriend and that pretty much was it. :-D
In today's standards I could say (maybe) that I was upper intermediate but now I'd say I'm beginner. Back then I believed that pool should be 'clean' so I never practiced or learnt english as I felt I should be able to do all with stop shots, draws and follow shots. Now the game changed and I see that english shots became crucial (or so I was told). When I play now I can do some fairly difficult shots and then I go on black and I miss a basic shot (pisses me off).

yes, I do need to practice, yes I would love to get an instructor but I'm not planning to due to cost and the fact that I don't plan to play professionally again. Maybe some local tournaments for fun but not really serious. Just want to improve and be better but the drive to be amazing is no longer there (family, job etc. all takes over so no time to reach anything serious)

I came here because I wanted to get advice not only where to start but also what to avoid. Just the banking system on YouTube has so many different explanations etc. so it would be easy to get sucked into the rabbit hole. Hence why I prefer so good old drills, videos or books that you guys already provided and I'll start there.

Thank you all so far I'll check all the things you've recommended and see what suits me. If anything it will be a good practice anyway. :)




I went on a long hiatus and came back but I was a pretty damn good pool player. Now I'm just pretty sporty one. How good are you is all I can ask?

I've had guys tell me they came back after 20 years and they shoot like shit so I know they didn't play that much from the past.

If you're a high level player then all you need to do is throw some balls on the table and start pocketing them. You will get back your stroke but if you're playing in tournaments after a long hiatus then things will be different. I had to get use to the players I was playing and everyone got better is what I noticed and playing with top notch equipment. The racks are with a template so everyone is not breaking dry.

If you never played much in the past then you will have to start from scratch. If you've played plenty than just throwing balls out there and playing other players will get you back to wherever you were.

My biggest obstacle was getting over people staring at me. It was a weird feeling to get back to people watching you.
 
Thank you all so far I'll check all the things you've recommended
Can't remember what or if I recommend Ed. On youtube Barry Stark's snooker coaching is awesome.
Self taught using books and videos can work. It just takes a lot longer than with a trusted coach. It also has the hazard of locking in less than optimal habits. Camera work is of value as well. Knowing What to look for is the weak link in self video.
 
A final, (well hopefully) thought. When I had been away from the game a long time and came back as you indicated you are doing, I was bothered that I couldn't play to my previous level. My search for a solution led me to looking at the white rock Last. I had always followed Mosconi's coaching of object ball last. I found cueball last to be the way that works best for me now. 🤷‍♂️
 
I was fairly good but I played junior. I never played adult league. I don't plan to play professionally again.
Based on your above statements it’s hard to figure what level of player you once were or think you were? If you ever played anywhere near pro level at any point in your life, you would never be starting back as anything resembling a beginner, even after 20+ years off.
 
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I was fairly good but I played junior. I never played adult league.
As a kid I used to practice 10+ hours a day on the weekends and sometimes I would do 2hours in the evening during the week if I was allowed to. Eventually, I've found a girlfriend and that pretty much was it. :-D
In today's standards I could say (maybe) that I was upper intermediate but now I'd say I'm beginner. Back then I believed that pool should be 'clean' so I never practiced or learnt english as I felt I should be able to do all with stop shots, draws and follow shots. Now the game changed and I see that english shots became crucial (or so I was told). When I play now I can do some fairly difficult shots and then I go on black and I miss a basic shot (pisses me off).

yes, I do need to practice, yes I would love to get an instructor but I'm not planning to due to cost and the fact that I don't plan to play professionally again. Maybe some local tournaments for fun but not really serious. Just want to improve and be better but the drive to be amazing is no longer there (family, job etc. all takes over so no time to reach anything serious)

I came here because I wanted to get advice not only where to start but also what to avoid. Just the banking system on YouTube has so many different explanations etc. so it would be easy to get sucked into the rabbit hole. Hence why I prefer so good old drills, videos or books that you guys already provided and I'll start there.

Thank you all so far I'll check all the things you've recommended and see what suits me. If anything it will be a good practice anyway. :)
You've been through some of the program but don't care anymore. Well good news. You still have lots of clues to go on. If you want to pickup where you left off, throw the balls out and get to it. If you had good fundamentals, english should be an addon. Small steps.
 
Based on your above statements it’s hard to figure what level of player you once were or think you were? If you ever played anywhere near pro level at any point in your life, you would never be starting back as anything resembling a beginner, even after 20+ years off.
Agree. At any high level like winning tournaments, running racks and executing shots. If someone has done what I just listed for long periods of time then most likely you can get it back.

Muscle memory is an amazing thing.
 
Hello everyone,
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Instructor 100%... IF I had to start from scratch (and it sounds like you're on the ground floor: Draw shot comment) knowing what I know now. I definitely would get instruction. Maybe not necessarily from an instructional pro, but at the very least set something regular up with a >700 player.

Instructional pros aren't readily available everywhere. ...and the 700 fargo rated player is what I consider the correct threshold for solid advice. You don't get to that speed without knowing the dynamics of the game. Tons of players below that number that can get you going, but it will be a crap shoot.

Someone who runs that room you've decided to play out of, will know who the right guy is.
 
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Instructor 100%... IF I had to start from scratch (and it sounds like you're on the ground floor: Draw shot comment) knowing what I know now. I definitely would get instruction. Maybe not necessarily from an instructional pro, but at the very least set something regular up with a >700 player.

Instructional pros aren't readily available everywhere. ...and the 700 fargo rated player is what I consider the correct threshold for solid advice. You don't get to that speed without knowing the dynamics of the game. Tons of players below that number that can get you going, but it will be a crap shoot.

Someone who runs that room you've decided to play out of, will know who the right guy is.
I'd advise being very selective with the '700 rated' players from whom I'd seek advice. Just because someone is good at something doesn't always translate into their being a good instructor. Many of those great players can only show you what works for them. In some cases, they may not even be aware of how and why their fundamentals are solid. (Assuming their fundamentals are actually solid.)

I've seen a lot of 'instructional videos' floating around that are little more than 'look at what I can do'. YouTube is loaded with such.
 
I'd advise being very selective with the '700 rated' players from whom I'd seek advice. Just because someone is good at something doesn't always translate into their being a good instructor. Many of those great players can only show you what works for them. In some cases, they may not even be aware of how and why their fundamentals are solid. (Assuming their fundamentals are actually solid.)

I've seen a lot of 'instructional videos' floating around that are little more than 'look at what I can do'. YouTube is loaded with such.
agreed, and why I used the 700 threshold. We'll have to disagree on their self awareness. I have yet to run into a >700 player who wasn't dialed in on their own fundamentals. You don't get to that number with simply firing from the hip. Those tutorial YT vids aren't generally from players of that spd or greater. There are of course exceptions to every rule.

Trying to shoe horn players into 'a method' is also an instructor problem.
 
agreed, and why I used the 700 threshold. We'll have to disagree on their self awareness. I have yet to run into a >700 player who wasn't dialed in on their own fundamentals. You don't get to that number with simply firing from the hip. Those tutorial YT vids aren't generally from players of that spd or greater. There are of course exceptions to every rule.

Trying to shoe horn players into 'a method' is also an instructor problem.
That's been golf's problem for years, trying to teach a 'one swing for all' method. Doesn't work. Over the years i've seen a lot of GREAT players with 'funky' mechanics but they all 'owned their action' and could get it done under serious 'heat'. Would Keith been as good if someone forced 'traditional' style on him as a kid?? Seriously doubt it.
 
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Based on your above statements it’s hard to figure what level of player you once were or think you were? If you ever played anywhere near pro level at any point in your life, you would never be starting back as anything resembling a beginner, even after 20+ years off.
There's a guy in my local spot that went to prison and didn't touch a cue for five yrs. He was back to normal speed in about a month. He was making balls on day one it just took a while for speed control to return.
 
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I don't want to get an instructor. Maybe it would accelerate my learning a bit but in return it would also cost a lot so that option is out.
I played with one guy at the pool hall who decimated me even with one handed play and all his advice was basically the same. Practice shots and with time you will improve. I managed to beat him only 3 times (score was 9:3 for him) but I doubt I would get the same score if he focused 100% on serious. His positioning for next ball was almost text book accurate (within few cms).

Anyway, instructor is out. An instructor can't really put in the hours for you and he/she will only shave off some time but mostly it will not be worth it for me. I prefer to do camera on me, drills and then analyze later.

Thank you

P.s.: I do agree with the statement that a good player doesn't necessarily mean good teacher and in my life I've learnt that its very hard to find an actual good teacher (for anything) these days. Thats why I don't want to gamble this and save money.
 
I don't want to get an instructor. Maybe it would accelerate my learning a bit but in return it would also cost a lot so that option is out.

Anyway, instructor is out. An instructor can't really put in the hours for you and he/she will only shave off some time but mostly it will not be worth it for me. I prefer to do camera on me, drills and then analyze later.
Good luck to you on your quest to be a C player for life.
 
Looking into this more I think I might try to get Tor Lowry training workshop (if I manage to get a spot) or the online one
 
Hello everyone,

after 20+ years I've decided to pick this sport up again. Got a new cue, found a nice pool hall and started going 2x a week. Once I play with a friend and the second time I go and practice. My weakness in the past was draw shots and V (bank shots).
Went to a tournament and played with a pro who mentioned that my stroke could need improvement as he noticed that my draw shot is forcefully stopped instead of letting it go all the way to the chest (or so).

Anyway,
I'd like to ask what are the really good drills to practice overall. I've started with straight stop shots but I wonder what to do more.
Youtube is flooded with tons of drills but not all are beginners friendly which I've learnt the hard way when I tried to do 6 balls in L shape and 2 frozen on each side of the rail.

Any recommendations, please?

Anything you know is good for start is super helpful for me. Thank you kindly

P.s.: I got P3 with Revo 12.4
Don’t worry about draw shots. Practice your fundamentals using center cueball. A good drill is the old line drill across the side pockets. Take cueball in hand on each shot and hone in your stance, bridge, staying down, keeping your head perfectly still, etc. but if you really want to practice-your draw shot this drill can be used for that also.
 
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Looking into this more I think I might try to get Tor Lowry training workshop (if I manage to get a spot) or the online one
Tor and Dr.Dave for sure.

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