Possible to extend shaft length from 29 to 30 inches?
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boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I am not a cuemaker.
Realistically... no, but it can be done.
If you added an extra long ferrule it will change deflection.
If you added something at the joint end it will be complicated and possibly introduce a weak spot.
If you spice in a piece of wood it can work, but again, complicated and may effect how it plays.
I've seen a lot of antique cues that use butterfly spices in shafts, or you could probably do a 4 prong like how a full splice cue is made. I'd guess unless you find a cuemaker that just wants to experiment it will cost about the same as a new shaft. It would definitely be more complicated than just making one at 30" to begin with.
Here's a great online museum where you can see several examples of spliced shafts.
Realistically... no, but it can be done.
If you added an extra long ferrule it will change deflection.
If you added something at the joint end it will be complicated and possibly introduce a weak spot.
If you spice in a piece of wood it can work, but again, complicated and may effect how it plays.
I've seen a lot of antique cues that use butterfly spices in shafts, or you could probably do a 4 prong like how a full splice cue is made. I'd guess unless you find a cuemaker that just wants to experiment it will cost about the same as a new shaft. It would definitely be more complicated than just making one at 30" to begin with.
Here's a great online museum where you can see several examples of spliced shafts.
You could just have someone spin up a small mid extension.
Reported … give them an inch and they want the yardstick.
DeeDeeCues
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Think this through: how do you propose to make a mid-cue extension only an inch long? About the minimum that could be done is probably about 1/2" longer than the protruding joint pin, so around 1.75". Doing this would not be something one, 'just spins up' and it would likely be pretty heavy as it would have to rely on having a one-piece pin and insert, which means it would be a material capable of standing up to the forces involved.
In other words (photos?) something like this:
Billiards King 1.75" Aluminum Alloy Pool Cue Stick Extension
1.25 Inch Aluminum Alloy Cue Extension Instantly Add 1.25" to your cue Installs between butt and shaft Fits in most cue case pockets 1.35 Ounces
www.billiardsking.com
Or you'd have to put in an extra long pin, which means you'd have to use the extension at all times.
But, that is just, like, my opinion. Maybe you'd enlighten us with a better way.
Well I know it can be done. And not real complicated. But wait! what if it ended up just hair over an inch? That might ruin the entire pool cue rocket science industry! We can' have that now can we.Think this through: how do you propose to make a mid-cue extension only an inch long? About the minimum that could be done is probably about 1/2" longer than the protruding joint pin, so around 1.75". Doing this would not be something one, 'just spins up' and it would likely be pretty heavy as it would have to rely on having a one-piece pin and insert, which means it would be a material capable of standing up to the forces involved.
In other words (photos?) something like this:
Billiards King 1.75" Aluminum Alloy Pool Cue Stick Extension
1.25 Inch Aluminum Alloy Cue Extension Instantly Add 1.25" to your cue Installs between butt and shaft Fits in most cue case pockets 1.35 Ounceswww.billiardsking.com
Or you'd have to put in an extra long pin, which means you'd have to use the extension at all times.
But, that is just, like, my opinion. Maybe you'd enlighten us with a better way.
A starting point would look something like this. You can find a lot of different ones much cheaper, but here is an example of the basic concept.
Uniloc shaft to 5/16x14 butt adapter pool cue extension predator joss 1.75" | eBay
Pool Cue Extension Adapter Converter is a Uniloc shaft to 5/16×14 butt Aluminum black 1.75". This adapter converter fits a uniloc shaft toa 5/16×14 butt. Great price, contact your local cue maker to see the price of their adapters. Then compare. Free shipping to USA. I have other types adapters...
www.ebay.com
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DeeDeeCues
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I think there is a miscommunication here. If you are talking about a mid-cue extension, i.e. something that goes between the shaft and the butt at the joint without modifying the shaft or the butt, you will not be making a structurally sound extension that is slightly shorter than the protruding joint pin. If you put a 1" extension on a cue with a 1.25" joint pin engagement without modifying the shaft or butt, you will end up with 0.25" of thread engagement in the shaft. If you built something like I linked to for a cue that had only 1" joint pin, it could be just over 1", but it is still going to be more than something that is just 'spun up'.
As I see it, you are starting to troll cuemakers, often going back to derisively using the 'rocket science' analogy. Why don't you prove how smart you are and offer some solutions instead of just shitting on everything.
Yes, I suggested a simple mid cue extension for an easy way to extend it a tad. 'Trolling cue makers' No. At time I have seen arguments get very heated over things that are so simple yet turn into the most ridicules nit picking - over thought solutions to non existent problems imaginable. So, I have deemed this 'rocket science' If the guy wants to add an inch of length without breaking the bank. It is not hard to get close with out mods of tons of money. That was my point.
Very few cues have an inch and a quarter of pin protruding. and if so, Trim a bit off if you need to...It ain't gonna ruin it! My Schon cues have under an inch and Adam even less. Anyway a 'small' mid cue extension may be a VERY good solution to adding a bit of length. No? why must it be picked to death?
Trolling? I make cues as well, and have been doing repairs for 35+ years. I am a very skilled individual and most of what I do is for myself or friends. I have a very nice lathe. I find with a bit of thought and careful execution most things are just a matter of doing it. Not hard, just time consuming. Plus their are many ways to get to the same end and if they are done well then that is all that matters.
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DeeDeeCues
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I wouldn't say that very few cues have 1.25" joint pin. I doubt that you find many 3/8-10 much under 1.2". Personally I don't like mid cue extensions because they generally add a decent amount of weight, but that is me.
DeeDeeCues
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The whole trolling thing is separate from how skilled you and your mom think you are, or whether you make cues. You come on with two sentences, one to say it isn't 'rocket science' and another to say, 'just spin it up'. In reality what you are proposing to make is a threaded sleeve at the joint diameter with an integral second pin built on the sleeve...or just about exactly what I linked to. While this isn't a complicated part, it will take some time and will probably be made from metal, which will be heavier than adding a longer mid extension that isn't all metal.
If you add to a cue you add a tiny bit of weight. yes. If it is well balanced and now longer you probably would never notice it. So no biggie. A 40 oz cue ten feet long would feel like a feather. It's all relative. Most 3/8 10 pins are not found on that cue. Where there is a will there is a way. Maybe it has to be a touch more than an exact inch to do it this particular way? So if it works for him then...It works.
DeeDeeCues
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What cue are you talking about? The op never said what type of cue it is.
Personally, I would definitely notice an extra ounce anywhere in a cue, and definitely in the joint. I personally don't play much with a ten foot long cue.
"The whole trolling thing is separate from how skilled you and your mom think you are, or whether you make cues. You come on with two sentences, one to say it isn't 'rocket science' and another to say, 'just spin it up'. In reality what you are proposing to make is a threaded sleeve at the joint diameter with an integral second pin built on the sleeve...or just about exactly what I linked to. While this isn't a complicated part, it will take some time and will probably be made from metal, which will be heavier than adding a longer mid extension that isn't all metal."
It is lathe work/machining/parts building/thinking/ measuring/ If it involves a pool cue it tends to be considered "Mystical" by many. I don't. It's work Yes, It's skilled work. Yes. It's also interesting, It takes time effort and knowledge. Some jobs are big jobs and jobs are small jobs. Most situations have a reasonable solution. If perfect and ideal are not worth the investment then an alternative solution may be a good compromise. It still ain't rocket science. I explained why that became a thing with me.
It is another example of skilled labor. Some more skilled than others to say the least. I still have my Wheat Bucks! Wanna buy em'
Take care Brother, I gotta lot of work to do today too. I best get on it.
And I'm the Troll. Oh brother..
It is lathe work/machining/parts building/thinking/ measuring/ If it involves a pool cue it tends to be considered "Mystical" by many. I don't. It's work Yes, It's skilled work. Yes. It's also interesting, It takes time effort and knowledge. Some jobs are big jobs and jobs are small jobs. Most situations have a reasonable solution. If perfect and ideal are not worth the investment then an alternative solution may be a good compromise. It still ain't rocket science. I explained why that became a thing with me.
It is another example of skilled labor. Some more skilled than others to say the least. I still have my Wheat Bucks! Wanna buy em'
Take care Brother, I gotta lot of work to do today too. I best get on it.
Wow. Just wow.
I will say right off the bat these are two dudes I respect in this forum.
I pop in and occasionally contribute even here in the cue maker area. Note that I have never turned a piece of wood on a lathe.
So, I am going to have a go and hope you two can have a beer and get over it. Feel free to pick on whatever I say rather than each other.
People kind of regularly ask questions like this. The easy answer is to order another longer shaft I think.
Mid cue extensions? Yup, they exist off the shelf. One inch? Could be tough depending on the joint, and I haven't seen them. Could one be made? Probably often but maybe not always. And it depends on whether the maker is willing and the customer wants to pay for the time. Could be a lot of cue joint fuckery involved, but maybe not.
I could make a spacer at a half inch with no threads, just a hole, and I could do it with no lathe. No taper is required since a cue butt and joint face are the same diameter. Heck I could stack poker chips with holes in them, stick them together with CA, sand them to diameter, and as long as I had enough threads on the pin left it could make an extension. I could do it with a mandrel on my dad's old drill. Hell, I bet if I was a jackass I could sell them on eBay. With longer pin cues I could get away with making one a tad bit longer. I could market it as the next great thing. Low deflection balance correcting thing-a-ma-bob extension. I could probably use some epoxy mixed in some cow shit to make a phenolic blank for it instead of stacked poker chips and call it organic. But one inch is in that difficult area I think, depending on the joint style and pin length.
Not "rocket science". But has nothing to do with what my mother thinks of my skills either.
With a lathe? Yeah, bore out the insert or threaded hole, plug it, turn down the original joint collar on the shaft, and sleeve on whatever you want. Bore and tap for whatever you want. I can picture it. It could certainly end up a conglomeration of bullshit but it might hold together with the right mechanical joinery and some good adhesive.
At a certain point it could get very ridiculous. So, unless it's for yourself or your buddy, you might not want to get into all that.
The OP said he knew it was a silly question.
Lighten up on each other. Please.
I have no horse in this race except for damn sure I dig both of you and this forum.
Maybe there is something going on here I don't know about, but honestly I don't give a shit. I came back here recently because I value this place. It's a community.
No, it's not rocket science. No, there is nothing "mystical" about it, but don't burst the bubble of those that want that to be so. Don't pull someone's mother in it. Where I come from that always ends bad.
It's late. We all work hard. I am going to bed soon and have a busy day tomorrow. If you dare me to bond together some poker chips and make an extension using my father's old drill I might just do that. But I might not. Just like some might try to make what the OP wants, and some might not. If you want the phenolic cow shit version I am out.
I will say right off the bat these are two dudes I respect in this forum.
I pop in and occasionally contribute even here in the cue maker area. Note that I have never turned a piece of wood on a lathe.
So, I am going to have a go and hope you two can have a beer and get over it. Feel free to pick on whatever I say rather than each other.
People kind of regularly ask questions like this. The easy answer is to order another longer shaft I think.
Mid cue extensions? Yup, they exist off the shelf. One inch? Could be tough depending on the joint, and I haven't seen them. Could one be made? Probably often but maybe not always. And it depends on whether the maker is willing and the customer wants to pay for the time. Could be a lot of cue joint fuckery involved, but maybe not.
I could make a spacer at a half inch with no threads, just a hole, and I could do it with no lathe. No taper is required since a cue butt and joint face are the same diameter. Heck I could stack poker chips with holes in them, stick them together with CA, sand them to diameter, and as long as I had enough threads on the pin left it could make an extension. I could do it with a mandrel on my dad's old drill. Hell, I bet if I was a jackass I could sell them on eBay. With longer pin cues I could get away with making one a tad bit longer. I could market it as the next great thing. Low deflection balance correcting thing-a-ma-bob extension. I could probably use some epoxy mixed in some cow shit to make a phenolic blank for it instead of stacked poker chips and call it organic. But one inch is in that difficult area I think, depending on the joint style and pin length.
Not "rocket science". But has nothing to do with what my mother thinks of my skills either.
With a lathe? Yeah, bore out the insert or threaded hole, plug it, turn down the original joint collar on the shaft, and sleeve on whatever you want. Bore and tap for whatever you want. I can picture it. It could certainly end up a conglomeration of bullshit but it might hold together with the right mechanical joinery and some good adhesive.
At a certain point it could get very ridiculous. So, unless it's for yourself or your buddy, you might not want to get into all that.
The OP said he knew it was a silly question.
Lighten up on each other. Please.
I have no horse in this race except for damn sure I dig both of you and this forum.
Maybe there is something going on here I don't know about, but honestly I don't give a shit. I came back here recently because I value this place. It's a community.
No, it's not rocket science. No, there is nothing "mystical" about it, but don't burst the bubble of those that want that to be so. Don't pull someone's mother in it. Where I come from that always ends bad.
It's late. We all work hard. I am going to bed soon and have a busy day tomorrow. If you dare me to bond together some poker chips and make an extension using my father's old drill I might just do that. But I might not. Just like some might try to make what the OP wants, and some might not. If you want the phenolic cow shit version I am out.
DeeDeeCues
Well-known member
I have no ill will towards @jayman and acknowledge and apologize for coming off as a bit of an ass. From my perspective, things got a bit heated, but when people are passionate about things that happens.
I'm actually a fan of DeeDeeCues. I can be rather abrasive at times! However I certainly harbor no ill will at all, in fact quite the opposite. I have a great deal of respect him, his wisdom, and his willingness to share it with us. Thank you for that.