More than one AZ member has gotten 86'd because of various pro/anti aiming system lunacy. Needs to be kept in the Aiming forum cage.They do like to draw first blood on these aiming system posts, don't they??
CTE Aiming
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Oh no!!
Drive any man to drink!!
Hilarious! Although I first read "personal benefit and permanent development" as "...detriment".
Found that out the hard way.
Still don't see why the animosity is out there over something as simple as this. Don't think I ever will, nor try to.
aiming systems and straight pool records.. it's the weirdest thing. at least the straight pool record threads were killed off by jayson
@DrCue'sProtege
wait
you start a thread to learn about CTE
and then
you give someone else advice on how to learn about it
TRY TAKING YOUR OWN ADVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CTE
chanting towards enlightenment
a set of breathing exercises designed to offset our inner struggles against accomplishing simple tasks, and to shift the natural focus away from turning obvious easy patterns into more difficult and challenging situations that compound themselves until finally the ultimate solution escapes
the vibration of sounds you learn will create an ability to pivot into a space where the rhythmic dynamic of the lungs can alter our immediate reality and our shared perceptions of the past and the future
the meaning of the sounds and the translations of the chants will vary from moment to moment but the end result is unarguably the monumental accomplishment that all of us have desired and yet found so very, very elusive
developing these chants with just a touch of melody that reverberates across the line of sounds into a second line found in stepping through a beginner’s voice into a new way of listening and communicating creates an entirely new world of noises made on the edge of silence aimed directly at the center of the ear and eventually found and shared in a parallel world of music and beauty
chanting towards enlightenment
a set of breathing exercises designed to offset our inner struggles against accomplishing simple tasks, and to shift the natural focus away from turning obvious easy patterns into more difficult and challenging situations that compound themselves until finally the ultimate solution escapes
the vibration of sounds you learn will create an ability to pivot into a space where the rhythmic dynamic of the lungs can alter our immediate reality and our shared perceptions of the past and the future
the meaning of the sounds and the translations of the chants will vary from moment to moment but the end result is unarguably the monumental accomplishment that all of us have desired and yet found so very, very elusive
developing these chants with just a touch of melody that reverberates across the line of sounds into a second line found in stepping through a beginner’s voice into a new way of listening and communicating creates an entirely new world of noises made on the edge of silence aimed directly at the center of the ear and eventually found and shared in a parallel world of music and beauty
CTE – Cosmic Taco Explorer
Venturing into the galaxy to find extraterrestrial tortillas.
Venturing into the galaxy to find extraterrestrial tortillas.
He taught me, I like it.
The biggest problem with aiming threads is it seems people start to belittle things they don't understand, I suppose its human nature to a point.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I think another big thing is just plain closed mindedness. I mean, I can aim, you can aim, we all can aim. But if you're not aiming the same way aiming works for me, then it's on. We can no longer be civil, we must see who can piss the farthest! Wind direction be damned!
In reality CTE works, as does any other aiming system. There are good "tidbits" to it that aren't necessarily included in other aiming systems. There's no real point in bashing systems because we all see things differently, and all can work. It's nice to have other flavors of aiming out there but it's not nice to get all tribal about them. Aiming is basically the NPR political thread of pool. I'm right, you're wrong and vice versa.
My first instinct would be to say that if you struggle on straight in shots then maybe it isn't the aiming that is the problem.
HOWEVER
I use a CTE-esque way to aim shots that are straight and slightly off of straight and it works far better for me than just aiming center ball to center ball or ghost ball for those shots.
I align the outside edge of the tip through the center of the CB to the contact point on the OB - the point on OB farthest from the pocket. (If the angle is straight it doesn't matter which edge. But if there is a slight cut to the left, it would be the right edge of the tip.
Then I pivot so that the tip is aligned at the center of the tip to the center of the cue ball. By pivoting around my bridge hand. i.e. not moving my bridge hand.
Then I just shoot and focus on making a great stroke.
This method is almost 100% for me to make those shots. Aiming at a ghost ball or contact point alignment is far lower % for me.
In CTE I believe there is a similar way to aim straight and almost straight shots but it is not reliant on the contact point. Instead I think it's a 15 Outside. ?? I could be wrong about that.
Before anyone gets upset that this is not a mathematically sound system or geometrically accurate. I know. I don't care because it helps me visualize the shot in a way that helps me make it virtually every time.
Most aiming systems define a few easily-visualized alignments that the shooter uses as "landmarks" close to the actual needed shot alignments, so the adjustments by feel are relatively small. CTE is one of the more complicated versions of that.
pj
chgo
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice...
@JB Cases do you feel like explaining this to @DrCue'sProtege ? You have a great understanding of the topic but be forewarned, I'm about 65% sure he's a troll or just wanting everything spoon fed. I could be wrong, it's happened before.
@JB Cases do you feel like explaining this to @DrCue'sProtege ? You have a great understanding of the topic but be forewarned, I'm about 65% sure he's a troll or just wanting everything spoon fed. I could be wrong, it's happened before.
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice...
@JB Cases do you feel like explaining this to @DrCue'sProtege ? You have a great understanding of the topic but be forewarned, I'm about 65% sure he's a troll or just wanting everything spoon fed. I could be wrong, it's happened before.
He's not a troll. He isn't wanting spoon fed.
He's just someone that is trying to get better at this extremely difficult hobby. And finds it very frustrating.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Fair enough!
Hopefully JB can shed some light on the subject. If you want to do some research,
The thing is, CTE seems pretty dense (as in info packed) at first. It's kind of an enigma, but if you take the time to work through it with an open mind, there is a ton of good info and ideas there. Stan's book is pretty much the definitive tome on the subject. It takes work to learn but if you take it a bit at a time you can crack it. It takes a willingness to learn.
That said, and I say this with absolute respect for the system, if you're already even semi proficient at pool and aiming, it's probably less helpful than if you were just starting out.
In my honest opinion most of us know how to aim, the real tricky part is that speed and spin have as much if not more to do with making a ball than aiming does. We've all thrown a ball offline and missed due to spin or speed. A lot of times even if you hit a ball too thick or too thin has as much or more to do with speed/spin/deflection/cling/table conditions/cleanliness of balls. There's just so many variables. You can minimize variables by not using side spin, or to put it better, severely minimize the amount of side spin you use.
I put myself on a self imposed "fast" of not using side spin for about a month. Vertical axis of CB only. I'll be honest, I learned more in that month than I learned in several years before that. When starting out, once I learned spin I never shot a shot without it. This left a huge hole in my understanding of the game.
Good luck and may your stroke be true.
All aiming/alingment systems are simply tools to get you the right feel to make your cut.
CTE is just an over elaborate system that takes work to understand and effectively apply....not that it "can't" get you the correct feel...it is just a bit more than is necessary to get the job done........IMO.
CTE is just an over elaborate system that takes work to understand and effectively apply....not that it "can't" get you the correct feel...it is just a bit more than is necessary to get the job done........IMO.
When I started in industry, all the encabulators were made from wood. I never understood why we had to change.
One of the best tidbits for me that I got out of CTE/Pro1 was shot alignment, its great for getting my feet in the right place.I think another big thing is just plain closed mindedness. I mean, I can aim, you can aim, we all can aim. But if you're not aiming the same way aiming works for me, then it's on. We can no longer be civil, we must see who can piss the farthest! Wind direction be damned!
In reality CTE works, as does any other aiming system. There are good "tidbits" to it that aren't necessarily included in other aiming systems. There's no real point in bashing systems because we all see things differently, and all can work. It's nice to have other flavors of aiming out there but it's not nice to get all tribal about them. Aiming is basically the NPR political thread of pool. I'm right, you're wrong and vice versa.