Who built Schuler cues after Ray Schuler passed away, and were they good quality cues?

oh my, I know this is off topic, but both of those cue makers build great cues. Hunter Classic cues, by Wes Hunter, and Bobby Hunter cues, iirc. They are both great cue makers, and both are fairly rare to see online for sale, I believe. Also, not cheap. For good reason.
I got to know Bobby a little after he married a sparring partner of mine - even visited his shop out in Alsip (southwest of Chicago). Great guy with a pretty techy CNC setup and a good design eye. Even plays a respectable game of one pocket (on the table in his shop).

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chgo
 
oh my, I know this is off topic, but both of those cue makers build great cues. Hunter Classic cues, by Wes Hunter, and Bobby Hunter cues, iirc. They are both great cue makers, and both are fairly rare to see online for sale, I believe. Also, not cheap. For good reason.
It’s a Wes hunter because he told me it’s similar to southwest. The motif and design represents that area
 
Thanks.

I read that Ray Schuler passed away around 2002, iirc, and that Jacoby started building Schuler cues in around 2015. So, I am just curious who built Schuler cues between those two time frames. I see that Noel Mendoza signed his own name on cues that he made, so I understand now that he did not build Schuler SLC cues, before Jacoby started making them.
I wrote the InsidePOOL article on Schuler Cues shortly after Ray passed, and interviewed everyone at the shop during my visit. Prior to Ray passing, Noel was already the lead cuemaker. Ray signed the cues, but Noel started playing around with signing. When Ray passed, Noel continued being the lead cuemaker, and his brother was also on the build team. By that time, Terry Trim was sole owner, and his son Bryan was the shop manager. The decision was for Noel to sign Ray’s name, and they added SLC to mark the era.

Terry decided to outsource the build to contract manufacturing, and Jacoby was the choice. The Jacobys do the signing (I believe with a machine) and they underline the SLC to mark the era.

There’s a about a dozen other things to say, but I think I answered the question. Let me know if that works for you.
 
Maybe
But if I was a proud cue maker, I would have wanted to have my name on it.
Jacoby has offered contract cue building for quite some time, as do other cue builders, especially the ones with lots of flexible machinery (CNC controlled). So, the reason was simple: it’s exactly part of their business model. It had very little to do with getting into the carom market.
 
He mostly made Carom cues, I believe. They had a Carom taper, and were a few inches shorter then the average pool cue length, at around 56 inches long, I believe. Very conical taper to them. He also made pool cues though, with a standard length, and I assume regular pro taper. He was a Carom player though, and probably mostly known for his Carom cues.
This is not true. Ray was building many more shafts for pool than carom. Not even close. Simply because there was a bigger market for pool cue. But he built carom shafts because he was a carom player, and in carom circles his cues would be the go to for many North American carom players.

The butts only slightly changed their dimensions over the years, and whether you played carom, pool or snooker, his butts were the same. The joint, which was his calling card, remained the same at 22mm diameter with his unique take on the existing compression pilot joint. So “building carom cues” for Ray meant fitting a more conical shaft to the butt. Ray always believed any shaft could play any discipline, but everyone had their preferences. It’s partially why he developed the Schuler Pro Taper, which is a more conical version of the traditional Pro Taper. A hybrid, so to speak. Ray had several standard tapers, and most pool players would go with the traditional pro taper
 
Not laminated but the top of the shaft past the ferrule was hollowed out. I recall that he said he had a conversation with the guys at Predator to make sure he wasn't infringing on their patent.
Interestingly, I have a Schuler low deflection shaft from after Ray passed, and it’s laminated. But I don’t believe it has a hole. I’m guessing the Trims and Mendozas were experimenting and didn’t yet know about end mass and thought it was just the lamination. That’s unfortunate that the low deflection shaft that you’re describing didn’t become part of their standard offerings.
 
Hi, so the one that is not underlined is the least good quality one, out of the 6? That makes sense, as both Jacoby and Schuler are / were great cue makers. Just not sure about the Terry Trim made cues. Sounds like he was not even a well trained cue maker, but I do not know. Thanks.

Please stop doing this. Or delete your post when you get the right information.

The cue build and ownership was the same just prior to and after Ray passed. Terry Trim was owner, and the Mendozas were building the cues.

Probably the biggest changes to Schuler cue happened when Ivan Lee started building cues there for a time. It was that period when Ray agreed to change the butt thickness away from an old school cue thickness to a slight thinner butt.

“Ray had big hands, so making the butt thinner wasnt on his mind,” Ivan told me.

Ivan also was responsible for introducing more intricate inlay designs into the cue. Ray was never an aesthetic or artistic guy, and he was more concerned with the feel and feedback of the cue.
 
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I got to know Bobby a little after he married a sparring partner of mine - even visited his shop out in Alsip (southwest of Chicago). Great guy with a pretty techy CNC setup and a good design eye. Even plays a respectable game of one pocket (on the table in his shop).

pj
chgo
World 14.1 Champion and Runner-Up WPA World 9-ball (johnny archer) and probably in my top 3 Most Underrated Cuemaker of all time.
 
Interestingly, I have a Schuler low deflection shaft from after Ray passed, and it’s laminated. But I don’t believe it has a hole. I’m guessing the Trims and Mendozas were experimenting and didn’t yet know about end mass and thought it was just the lamination. That’s unfortunate that the low deflection shaft that you’re describing didn’t become part of their standard offerings.
I was going to mention your name because I had a vague memory of your having one of his low deflection shafts. I played with a few of them, I guess at varying stages of development. It started when I told Ray I had a Predator shaft made to fit his cue. That didn't go over well with him at all, as you can imagine! He didn't like the idea of people putting someone else's shaft on his cues, so he started developing his own low deflection shaft. But it was late in his life and I think he would have needed more time to develop it to his liking. I pretty much left the brand after Ray's passing, so I didn't know who was making their cues in the end.
 
I was going to mention your name because I had a vague memory of your having one of his low deflection shafts. I played with a few of them, I guess at varying stages of development. It started when I told Ray I had a Predator shaft made to fit his cue. That didn't go over well with him at all, as you can imagine! He didn't like the idea of people putting someone else's shaft on his cues, so he started developing his own low deflection shaft. But it was late in his life and I think he would have needed more time to develop it to his liking. I pretty much left the brand after Ray's passing, so I didn't know who was making their cues in the end.
He would have hated me. I probably have twelve or more non-Schuler shafts for my Schulers.
 
This is not true. Ray was building many more shafts for pool than carom. Not even close. Simply because there was a bigger market for pool cue. But he built carom shafts because he was a carom player, and in carom circles his cues would be the go to for many North American carom players.

The butts only slightly changed their dimensions over the years, and whether you played carom, pool or snooker, his butts were the same. The joint, which was his calling card, remained the same at 22mm diameter with his unique take on the existing compression pilot joint. So “building carom cues” for Ray meant fitting a more conical shaft to the butt. Ray always believed any shaft could play any discipline, but everyone had their preferences. It’s partially why he developed the Schuler Pro Taper, which is a more conical version of the traditional Pro Taper. A hybrid, so to speak. Ray had several standard tapers, and most pool players would go with the traditional pro taper
Freddie, I think it's understandable for people to think that he made cues mostly for the carom players.

When I first met him in the early-mid 90s, it was at an international championship carom tournament at Sang Lee's room in NY. At that time --- correct me if I'm wrong --- the two main carom cue makers were Schuler and Helmstetter. Ray's booth was crowded with both domestic and international players. It seemed to me that Ray's carom shafts were popular world-wide.
 
Freddie, I think it's understandable for people to think that he made cues mostly for the carom players.

When I first met him in the early-mid 90s, it was at an international championship carom tournament at Sang Lee's room in NY. At that time --- correct me if I'm wrong --- the two main carom cue makers were Schuler and Helmstetter. Ray's booth was crowded with both domestic and international players. It seemed to me that Ray's carom shafts were popular world-wide.
I would add Dennis Dieckman to those two, but I agree that they were the most well known for making carom cues. All of them eventually made more pool cues than carom cues. And for sure, Ray’s carom offerings were popular globally, because carom was global compared to pool at the time.

I assume you played with a traditional pro taper or a custom Fran Crimi pro taper?
 
I would add Dennis Dieckman to those two, but I agree that they were the most well known for making carom cues. All of them eventually made more pool cues than carom cues. And for sure, Ray’s carom offerings were popular globally, because carom was global compared to pool at the time.

I assume you played with a traditional pro taper or a custom Fran Crimi pro taper?
If you mention Schuler or Diekman, most think of carom cues first. Mention Helmstetter and most think pool cues.

Schuler had a really cool line of tapers though. I think there were seven he advertised? Of course one would imagine he had more designed and could make any one that he wanted, or create one for a customer.

He did have a sort of semi-conical pool taper that I have seen other carom guys prefer for pool. I have a Harry Sims made cue, he was a multiple time 3 cushion champion and the pool cues he made had such a taper.

I like his notion that you could play any cue sport with any shaft design, taper or tip size. I do agree. There is no one size fits all.

Frankly I find all of this fascinating and love it when people in the know speak up.
 
... Schuler had a really cool line of tapers though. I think there were seven he advertised? Of course one would imagine he had more designed and could make any one that he wanted, or create one for a customer. ...
I have a few brochures/leaflets for "THE Schuler Cue." One lists "a choice of 6 standard shaft tapers or any number of custom shaft designs." Another leaflet, with a 20-year anniversary sticker on it, lists 7 standard tapers. Three are "Recommended for pocket games," two "Recommended for pocket & carom," and two "Recommended for carom & pocket." His "Hit classification" ranged from "soft" to "stiff."
 
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I would add Dennis Dieckman to those two, but I agree that they were the most well known for making carom cues. All of them eventually made more pool cues than carom cues. And for sure, Ray’s carom offerings were popular globally, because carom was global compared to pool at the time.

I assume you played with a traditional pro taper or a custom Fran Crimi pro taper?
Ray schooled me on his opinion of the benefits of a sharper taper, so I started experimenting with them. I switched to an open bridge for about a year, which was a pretty bold move for me to make on tour, and I played with the carom shaft for a while, and then switched to an American shaft taper. I think I was able to make a closed bridge with that one. My stroke wasn't short like the 3C players who stood taller at the table.

At the same time, Gene Nagy, who I was practicing with, was using one of my Schulers with a constant taper, so I was surrounded by sharp tapered shafts. But the pro taper shaft was always in my case to fall back on. When Predator shafts came out, they suited me and I never looked back from low deflection shafts.
 
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