Ultimate Pool USA Boston Shootout

I like the Ultimate pool format but... what is the difference between the shootout and the Open event? Also, what are the payouts for these events?
I would like to know these answers, as well.

Edit: ok I see the answers above. Would be nice if the stream included this information at some point or periodically because I watched quite a bit and never heard/saw an answer.
 
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I watched a few matches, including all of the Women's final. That was a fun match, Emily and Ashley both banked a bunch of balls, including Emily's final match winning 8 ball.

I think Ultimate Pool has a winning format. I absolutely despise both playing and watching "normal 8 ball", but am super enjoying watching this format. I will go so far as to say I think its more fun than watching the MR majors.

This might legit be the future of pool in the USA. I don't think I'd mind that.
Agree. I do not like watching 8-ball much, but enjoyed this event. I still have reservations about turning pool into essentially speed-pool, and think the 6ball shootout should just be one more rack of actual pool, but the event did keep my attention for the duration which no 8-ball event before has done, so I can't complain too much.
 
sometimes an eight ball on the break is a win, sometimes not?
Rhetorical. If it's not one or the other you have an argument. Never played this way but I'm leaning toward the breaker having to commit to an 8 on the break by finishing one group, made or open. Not getting out would be a loss. That could be relaxed to the breaker having the option to spot the 8 and declare standard play.
 
It's clearly not for you. Watch what you like.
that’s very kind of you, but dismissing me and my questions doesn’t change the fact that the event’s website is poorly organized and the ref’s interpretations of the rules is inconsistent
 
sometimes an eight ball on the break is a win, sometimes not?
The rules differ on this between a Shootout and an Open tournament. My current understanding is as follows.

In a Shootout (as was played in Boston on Thursday and Friday):
• If the 8-ball is made on a legal break (no foul), it is a game win.​
• If the 8-ball is made on a fouled break, it is loss of game.​

In an Open tournament (as was played in Boston on Friday through Sunday), an 8-ball made on the break is always spotted, but:
• If no other ball was made, the breaker's visit is over and the non-breaker comes to the table.​
• If at least one other ball was made on a legal break, the breaker continues at the table.​
[If the break was also fouled, the 8-ball is spotted and the normal rules apply for a fouled break. I.e., if it was a pocket scratch, the non-breaker has ball in hand behind the head string and can shoot in any direction. But if the cue ball was sent off the table on the break, the non-breaker has ball in hand anywhere on the table.]

Apparently the different treatment of the 8-ball on the break between the Shootout and the Open event was to add a little extra "excitement" to the Shootout with the "Golden Break" game win and "Golden Duck" loss of game. The match can even be won, lost, or tied (sending it to a 6-balls shootout) that way with only a few seconds left on the match clock.
 
The rules differ on this between a Shootout and an Open tournament. My current understanding is as follows.

excellent thanks for all the work you do

just because the ‘cuteness’
of adding ‘excitement’
is confusing me doesn’t mean that with all of us trying our best to decipher the ultimate rules that we can’t get it done after a half dozen or so events they’ve held in the last two years
 
that’s very kind of you, but dismissing me and my questions doesn’t change the fact that the event’s website is poorly organized and the ref’s interpretations of the rules is inconsistent
I disagree. All of the information is very easy to find if you really want answers to your questions. And the refs are the best in the business and extremely consistent.
 
that’s very kind of you, but dismissing me and my questions doesn’t change the fact that the event’s website is poorly organized and the ref’s interpretations of the rules is inconsistent
Your original statement was that there was a mystery. I asked what the mystery was so I could help clarify. You began your rant. You don't want clarification for anything other than to dislike the "cuteness" and "excitement" of this tour.
 
I think the Shootouts are kind of a "bonus" event, whose primary purpose is to be a show for the spectators.

Working, imo. They're tremendous fun to watch.
 
I think the Shootouts are kind of a "bonus" event, whose primary purpose is to be a show for the spectators.

Working, imo. They're tremendous fun to watch.
The Shootout AND the Mixed Doubles are for the spectators. Invitation only, and they do have an entry fee, but the Open is the big ticket!
 
bergman adjusting the ball with his tip

looks like ferrule or shaft rather than tip. either way the rule is kind of silly. i suppose its purpose is to prevent arguments on whiff breaks or ditto ball in hand whiffs ("i was just positioning the cb"). but how often does that happen?
 
Post all the pics and videos you like. I asked about this one. The ref told me that he did not see Justin touch the ball with his ferrule so he did not call a foul. Simple as that. If that's enough for you to dislike the format, go ahead.
 
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