Knight Shot Open 2025

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Tournament's underway since July 14th, quite a few good players...Filler (he won last year) is absent though.

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Livestream:

Mickey Krause was streaming his last match in his own Youtube channel:

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What a treat: Gorst vs Chua in the final.

From what I can find, these two have never played each other before in a competitive match.

My two favorite players by far, but with very, very different styles.
 
What a treat: Gorst vs Chua in the final.

From what I can find, these two have never played each other before in a competitive match.

My two favorite players by far, but with very, very different styles.

Gorst beat Chua 10-3 at the 2022 International Open 9-Ball event

So with Chua's 13-6 win here, that puts that at
16-16 for games
and 1-1 for matches.
 
Match started off uneven. Both players made uncharacteristic mistakes. Chua misplayed position a few times and Gorst rattled the ball around a corner pocket three times! Boy, was I shaking my head.

Pockets seemed tight, though it never bothered Chua.

After the match went 4-4, Chua settled in and just blitzed Gorst. Final score: 13-6.

Chua played almost flawless in the last two-thirds of the match - except for his break. He often did not have a good shot after he pocketed a ball.

His shotmaking and position play, however, were superb.
 
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I would contend Chua is every bit the equal of Gorst and Filler when he is playing at the top of his game.

Chua is unquestionably the most dynamic player in the WNT and one of premier shotmakers. His ability on thin cut shots is the best in the world. He swings the ball around the table more often and more accurately than anyone I've seen, giving him a plethora of easy shots. He really is amazing when he's on.

That said, Chua obviously lacks the proven track record of Filler and Gorst in the biggest tourneys. I'd also say he's been less consistent in his career. Unlike Filler and Gorst, he has has several children. He can't just focus on his game. Not an excuse necessarily, but a reality.

In any case, his chief soft spot is safety play. Chua is very good, but not great. He is not on the same level as Filler and Gorst.

In this game, though, Gorst's safety play let him down later in the match after a strong start.
 
About 5 years ago I saw a interview with Efren and the topic was his retirement and who is the next Efren,to which he quickly replied only one Efren! He laughed it off and said he has been watching a young guy named Johan Chua.
 
I would contend Chua is every bit the equal of Gorst and Filler when he is playing at the top of his game.
Based on what? Of course, he and many others can beat them both when in highest gear, but Chua's only major championship came at an event in which Filler did not play. Personally, I think Filler would demolish Chua in a long 9ball race.

Filler 858 Fargo, Gorst 846 Fargo, Chua 834 Fargo

As you see, there is as big a gap between Filler and Gorst right now as there is between Chua and Gorst. When we're talking 9ball, I'm not sure there is anything that Chua does as well as Josh.

I am a Chua fan. He is a superb player and is a threat to win anything anytime, but he is below Filler and Gorst at both offense and defense, and I'll keep an eye open for the day he wins a major championship in which both appear. Until he starts winning big at the majors, he is not even in the conversation with the best.

At 9ball, Filler's resume of major titles includes wins at the World 9ball, the US Open 9ball, the China Open 9ball, the UK Open 9ball, the European Open 9ball, and the World Games 9ball. The gear he showed at the 2025 Derby City 9ball, during which he shot 1.000 TPA vs both Krause and Van Boening on the same day, is the highest 9ball gear I've seen in my 50 years around the pro game. As if that's not enough, he also has won the Derby City 9ball, the Derby City bank pool, the Derby City 10ball, the Derby City Master of the Table, the World Pool Masters 9ball, the Buffalo Billiards One Pocket, the American 14.1 and he even has a silver at the World 10ball. Filler has accomplished all of this by age 27.

In short, Chua has done nothing to suggest that he belongs in the conversation with the two best. I think we'd both like to see that change.
 
About 5 years ago I saw a interview with Efren and the topic was his retirement and who is the next Efren,to which he quickly replied only one Efren! He laughed it off and said he has been watching a young guy named Johan Chua.
I recall that interview and actually, Efren said "maybe Chua."
 
Based on what? Of course, he and many others can beat them both when in highest gear, but Chua's only major championship came at an event in which Filler did not play.
I was waiting for you to challenge my statement, sjm. Based on what? Watching all three play a ton the past few years, especially Chua.

Lots of players, of course, could beat Filler and Gorst when in the highest gear.

In my view, Chua has the third highest gear in pro pool as of right now.
Personally, I think Filler would demolish Chua in a long 9ball race.
Doubt it. Depends on what you mean by demolish. I'd favor Filler. I could see him winning 120-100 in a long race. But not much more than that.

Filler 858 Fargo, Gorst 846 Fargo, Chua 834 Fargo
One could argue the difference in Fargo between Filler and Chua is of statistical significance.

Being very familiar with statistical significance in my day job, I can assert quite confidently that a 12-point gap between Filler and Gorst, and a 12-point gap between Gorst and Chua, is statistically insignificant. Margin of error.
When we're talking 9ball, I'm not sure there is anything that Chua does as well as Josh.
Filler is the better player, but not for a moment do I believe that Filler is better at everything in 9 ball compared to Chua. Chua is just too good.

More generally:

Nobody now playing in the WNT is as good as Chua at thin cuts. Filler wouldn't even try some of the shots Chua regularly takes and makes, preferring to play safe instead. And for good reason. As you point out, Filler is a great safety player. Chua isn't.

Chua is more accurate than Filler or Gorst, imo, at shots that require very hard hits to get good position. He is as good as anyone I've seen now playing. I'd only maybe put SVB and pre-injury Kaci in Chua's company.

Chua is better than Filler at swinging the ball around the table to get good or better position. Chua is the most aggressive player on the tour at doing this.
I am a Chua fan. He is a superb player and is a threat to win anything anytime, but he is below Filler and Gorst at both offense and defense, and I'll keep an eye open for the day he wins a major championship in which both appear.
Chua is definitely behind Filler and Gorst on defense. Which is why I do not believe Chua is below either of them on offense.

He is arguably the most aggressive offensive player in the game. And that's how he makes up for a less comprehensive defensive game.

Until he starts winning big at the majors, he is not even in the conversation with the best.
At 9ball, Filler's resume of major titles includes wins ... Filler has accomplished all of this by age 27.
Agreed. Based on major wins, you are of course correct. Chua's career performance pales in comparison to Filler. Gorst has also separated himself from most other players in the past few years.
In short, Chua has done nothing to suggest that he belongs in the conversation with the two best.
There are different kinds of conversations when talking about the best players in any sport. There's talk about who's the best, period. Filler is already in that conversation. Gorst might be entering it soon.

Then there's the conversation about who is playing at a high level now. In the present.

A few years ago, FSR was playing better than anyone. For a two-year stretch he was the most successful player in pool. A few years before that, it was Albin Ouschan.

Chua is in that conversation now imo, but as you point out, he has a way to go. Heck, he's is not even at FSR or Ouschan territory yet.

Can he get there? As much as I love Chua for his style of play and personality, I am skeptical. He would need to bring his defensive game to a whole new level and just be more consistent overall.

Filler and Gorst are so good in large part because they are so consistent.

I think we'd both like to see that change.
Chua is 33. Not old for a pool player, but I think the next big challenger to Filler-Gorst will come from someone who is much younger.
 
I was waiting for you to challenge my statement, sjm. Based on what? Watching all three play a ton the past few years, especially Chua.

Lots of players, of course, could beat Filler and Gorst when in the highest gear.

In my view, Chua has the third highest gear in pro pool as of right now.

Doubt it. Depends on what you mean by demolish. I'd favor Filler. I could see him winning 120-100 in a long race. But not much more than that.


One could argue the difference in Fargo between Filler and Chua is of statistical significance.

Being very familiar with statistical significance in my day job, I can assert quite confidently that a 12-point gap between Filler and Gorst, and a 12-point gap between Gorst and Chua, is statistically insignificant. Margin of error.

Filler is the better player, but not for a moment do I believe that Filler is better at everything in 9 ball compared to Chua. Chua is just too good.

More generally:

Nobody now playing in the WNT is as good as Chua at thin cuts. Filler wouldn't even try some of the shots Chua regularly takes and makes, preferring to play safe instead. And for good reason. As you point out, Filler is a great safety player. Chua isn't.

Chua is more accurate than Filler or Gorst, imo, at shots that require very hard hits to get good position. He is as good as anyone I've seen now playing. I'd only maybe put SVB and pre-injury Kaci in Chua's company.

Chua is better than Filler at swinging the ball around the table to get good or better position. Chua is the most aggressive player on the tour at doing this.

Chua is definitely behind Filler and Gorst on defense. Which is why I do not believe Chua is below either of them on offense.

He is arguably the most aggressive offensive player in the game. And that's how he makes up for a less comprehensive defensive game.



Agreed. Based on major wins, you are of course correct. Chua's career performance pales in comparison to Filler. Gorst has also separated himself from most other players in the past few years.

There are different kinds of conversations when talking about the best players in any sport. There's talk about who's the best, period. Filler is already in that conversation. Gorst might be entering it soon.

Then there's the conversation about who is playing at a high level now. In the present.

A few years ago, FSR was playing better than anyone. For a two-year stretch he was the most successful player in pool. A few years before that, it was Albin Ouschan.

Chua is in that conversation now imo, but as you point out, he has a way to go. Heck, he's is not even at FSR or Ouschan territory yet.

Can he get there? As much as I love Chua for his style of play and personality, I am skeptical. He would need to bring his defensive game to a whole new level and just be more consistent overall.

Filler and Gorst are so good in large part because they are so consistent.


Chua is 33. Not old for a pool player, but I think the next big challenger to Filler-Gorst will come from someone who is much younger.
Nice post. I think we like Chua for many of the same reasons.

Chua is certainly super-aggressive on offense and that, as you suggest, makes him great to watch. The exact same thing can be said of both Jayson Shaw and Naoyuki Oi, who wow you by going for everything. All three of them produce great theatre. You are right in suggesting that Chua takes on shots that the top two pass on, but that might possibly be because his defense/kick/jump skills are not as elite as they might be.

Chua, per your description. is not a truly complete player, while I'd rate someone like a Ko Ping Chung as super-elite at both offense and defense, which is why he has both a World 10ball and a US Open 9ball on his resume. Personally, I like KPC's game over Chua.

Still, Chua is a very special player. Maybe he'll shine at the upcoming World 9ball. That would make both of us happy.
 
filler > gorst > chua ..but then there's the entertainment aspect. both chua and filler are fast, confident players that feeds of nervous energy / high pressure. chua is more risk taking. i love that personally, and it's great for the sport too.

i've been watching the youth euro champs these last few days and i like what i've been seeing from young felix vogel. i'll place him in that same category of confident, fast paced players
 
i've been watching the youth euro champs these last few days and i like what i've been seeing from young felix vogel. i'll place him in that same category of confident, fast paced players
I've seen both Benko and Vogel play live at the Jayson Shaw Junior Open in London. They are very capable cueists with a bright future.
 
As soon as he keeps his concentration on "ALL" shots, and improves his cross rail simple banks, AJ Manas may be in the conversation. He appears to have as much natural ability as anyone and more than 90% of the top rated 100. ICE runs through his veins under pressure.
 
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