Chandivert Brenner and Brocqut
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- Thread starter BigAlTheTiger
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Not to doubt you, as you are no stranger to the intricacies of cue history. However, all the boxes of early Champion cue tips I have say "Better Billiards," not Brenner and Brocqut. The later Chandivert boxes also do not say Brenner and Brocqut.
Here's a picture of the early Champion boxes, probably 70s or so. I would wonder though, if it's the same family or company, how could the quality have gone so poorly on the cue tips? There's also a lot of time difference. Early Champions and Crowns, 60s and 70s. I don't remember the Chandivert brand until about 2000 of so. Could the original guy have died, or sold the business? Not the same quality of tips at all. Just musing.
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Great info from Wildwing and Cueman.
Thank you both.
Thank you both.
Always a pleasure to serve.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I wonder: https://www.mediamatic.net/en/page/212071/fashionable-pee-cleaning-dyeing-and-tanning
This talk of him burying them in the dirt and all.
Hard Knock Cues
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Ya' learn something new every day! Very interesting.
Thanks all for the tip info, I have some of those loose amongst stuff purchased years ago, and now I know what they are.
It could be Better Billiards is the company that took over the manufacturing of the tips. I seem to remember that the BB brand goes back many decades. Something like a hundred years or more. The Brenner and Brocqut name popped up a few times when doing searches, but there is pretty much Zero information left on the web about the original company.
I have a box each of 8 of the latest tips from the 90's or early 2000s. I also have three boxes of Champion tips I have had since the 1980s. One plastic box has 1985 penned on it. Below are pictures of two of the boxes. Notice the wording around the BB on the older cardboard box. "Marque déposée" is a French term that means "registered trademark."
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Yeah, I had one of those plastic box Champions. No good whatsoever, not the original Champions. I have a feeling more than one company was trying to recreate what was largely not available by the early 80s.
And to keep it Gus tip relevant, here's a picture of a couple shafts of mine that I put a LePro on a fiber base, top, and an original Crown tip with fiber base, below. I believe as the good Champion tips were getting scarce, Gus probably went to putting LePros on a fiber base. I have no doubt his son Barry did that, as I've handled a few.
All the best, for tip knowledge,
WW
All the best, for tip knowledge,
WW
I don't see any problem with the plastic box tips, but there was a box of tips with similar looking label that was made in China back then that were horrible. The plastic box says made in France on it. The other boxes actually said made in China on a little Made in China sticker.
Triump maybe? Way back I had a Triump or two come off the pad. So I started gluing on a Triump. Then cut the tip off the pad and install a Lepro on the pad.
I think you mean Triumph, right? Very decent tip, I've used a bunch of them. I've never had one separate from the pad, but I suppose it's possible. If the case, you can put whatever tip you want on that pad. By the way, it's not French, as the box says. It's made by Tweeten. At the time, they were saying it's the closest to the original French Champion tip. At the time, I would agree. Behold, the Triumph tip:
Brother Ron
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Looks like a Chandivert, maybe Champion. I have some Chandivert tips marked Champion. The entire Chandivert line used those pads, But could also be a Triumph.
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Brother Ron
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It is not a Triumph, but I'm not sure if it is a Chandivert Champion or an original Champion that I had ordered.
Was hoping someone could tell by looking at it.
It was purchased from Mueller Sports and they handled a lot of tips back then.
Was hoping someone could tell by looking at it.
It was purchased from Mueller Sports and they handled a lot of tips back then.
30/35 years ago Chandivert tips were popular.
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BtvCueball
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Greeting,
I'm in the process of getting back into the games. I have stopped playing for more than 26 years. Upon take out my old cues, it look like most of the cue's tips need to be replaced.
I have these old boxes of tips that were purchased in the late 80s or early 90s and would like to find out more about these old boxes of tips:
1. Are they still goods to install (approx. $1.00ea for the Crown and $4.50ea for the Champions back then)?
2. Do they need any kind of reconditioning or anything prior to installing them?
I have a box of Crown tips and two boxes of Champion tips (based on the labels of the boxes).
- The Crown tips box with the tips seem to be very thin as compared to the Champion tips (with thickness of 4.9mm as compare to 7.5mm).
Assuming the tips are still good, am I supposed to install it as is or does it requires some king of backing on the base for these tips?
- The red Champion box has two layers and the tip's backings look different on each of the layer (both are closed to 14mm diameter). Are they both Champion tips?
And the last box of champion tips is similar to post #28 white card board box. But these tips diameter is only 13.2mm and therefore it is barely fits a 13mm ferule. The tips are also look different from the red box champion tips.
Are these also Champion tips?
Thank you in advance for your guidances and your help is greatly appreciated. BV
I'm in the process of getting back into the games. I have stopped playing for more than 26 years. Upon take out my old cues, it look like most of the cue's tips need to be replaced.
I have these old boxes of tips that were purchased in the late 80s or early 90s and would like to find out more about these old boxes of tips:
1. Are they still goods to install (approx. $1.00ea for the Crown and $4.50ea for the Champions back then)?
2. Do they need any kind of reconditioning or anything prior to installing them?
I have a box of Crown tips and two boxes of Champion tips (based on the labels of the boxes).
- The Crown tips box with the tips seem to be very thin as compared to the Champion tips (with thickness of 4.9mm as compare to 7.5mm).
Assuming the tips are still good, am I supposed to install it as is or does it requires some king of backing on the base for these tips?
- The red Champion box has two layers and the tip's backings look different on each of the layer (both are closed to 14mm diameter). Are they both Champion tips?
And the last box of champion tips is similar to post #28 white card board box. But these tips diameter is only 13.2mm and therefore it is barely fits a 13mm ferule. The tips are also look different from the red box champion tips.
Are these also Champion tips?
Thank you in advance for your guidances and your help is greatly appreciated. BV