Aiming B.S.

[Patrick Johnson]

You know, if you would put this on a table and try it, but I know you won't. Ever. Doesn't fit your narrow heuristic view that disregards anything that doesn't comply with what you already think you know.

Yeah, if you told me to try shooting every shot centerball-to-centerball I wouldn't need to "try" that either to know it won't work. Some things are just obvious with a basic understanding of the simple geometry involved.

As I said, I commend you for the years you've contributed and you've done more for this game than I ever have, but your close-mindedness is a concern.
If you want to see the triangle, get on a table and look at it!!!
I have no more need to defend. I know it works. Nuff said.

You do you.

But everybody else who might be unsure about this, Google "Parallel Aiming" and see for yourself how many instructors and players teach it the way I described. Think they're all wrong?

And one last thought: When the CB and OB are correctly touching to make the shot, aren't the lines from their centers to the pocket the same line - i.e., parallel?

pj
chgo

 

[philly]

You know, if you would put this on a table and try it, but I know you won't. Ever. Doesn't fit your narrow heuristic view that disregards anything that doesn't comply with what you already think you know.
As I said, I commend you for the years you've contributed and you've done more for this game than I ever have, but your close-mindedness is a concern.
If you want to see the triangle, get on a table and look at it!!!
I have no more need to defend. I know it works. Nuff said.

I see Triangles on the table also for what is worth.

 

[Mensabum]

Yeah, if you told me to try shooting every shot centerball-to-centerball I wouldn't need to "try" that either to know it won't work. Some things are just obvious with a basic understanding of the simple geometry involved.


You do you.

But everybody else unsure about this, Google "Parallel Aiming" and see for yourself how many instructors and players teach it the way I described. Think they're all wrong?

And one last thought: When the CB and OB are correctly touching to make the shot, aren't the lines from their centers to the pocket the same line - i.e., parallel?

pj
chgo

Sorry pj, I don't watch videos or Google anything I want a real answer to. More of a hands on kinda guy.
I won't take anything away from anyone trying to help others master this game. You raked me over the coals when I first posted this as a newbie who didn't know what hornets nest he'd stepped off into while trying to help new players get a hand up, so to speak, for FREE.
What I had missed after I stopped playing was all this aiming crap that apparently some folks had made a fortune off of and my little freebie rubbed some people the wrong way, when I assure it was posted in all innocence. I had no idea what was in store for me after that blunder.
People that try it can't disregard it bcuz it flat works. Period. My challenge still holds. I'll go anywhere and show anybody how this works and if they can prove me wrong, I'll eat my words and leave AZ forever!!!
Dissecting and overthinking and references to this and that do nothing to take away from a very simple, effective way to make a ball.
It's the one and only aiming system I've ever used and incorporated into my psr bcuz it was simple and easy for a new player at the time, me, to visualize and execute.
All I've ever tried to do since joining AZ is help anyone who asked for free, I might add, and keep my posts and comments light and positive. Too much negativity on here now, imo, and too many knee jerk reactions to anything contrary to the status quo.
Benched players wanting to challenge a time honored and well proven system.
I simply don't understand why anyone would try to negate something that's free, given in the spirit of cooperation and advancement of this game, and effective. Is it a pride thing, or insecurity bubbling up, or???
Maybe it's just me.

 

[Mensabum]

I see Triangles on the table also for what is worth.

Thanks philly.

Just can't resist.

"I see dead people!!"


Nice to know I'm not the only crazy misled person on here.

I don't have to watch others to learn how to play. I'm fortunate in that is long under my belt. Any assistance I can and will provide is only meant to help advance another's game. And I try to shy away from that bcuz there are others more qualified on paper and I can't argue that fact.
All my knowledge came at the feet of the masters. Earned me the thoroughly embarrassing nickname 'ankle biter.' Word to mouth with on table examples and instruction. Never read a book on pool unfortunately, and YouTube just ain't my Cuppa Joe. I'm confident there isn't anything on there I cant do with a little warm up.
I'm not a big internet site user. AZ is my drug of choice. For the time being anyway. Not all of the true players are gone. Many have left, yes. Probably for some of the same reasons I state in the aforementioned.
Have a great weekend my friend!!

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Sorry pj, I don't watch videos or Google anything I want a real answer to. More of a hands on kinda guy.

Like I said, you do you.

But since you’re presenting your method on this public forum I feel obligated to clarify for other, maybe less experienced readers that, although your visualization can come close for straighter shots, and although you clearly make it work for you, it doesn’t work as “automatically” as you describe, requiring increasingly large subconscious adjustments for greater cut angles. The real parallel aiming method needs no such adjustments.

No offense, just clarifying the technical facts for those interested in such things. I’m sure you do very well with your personalized version of it.

pj
chgo

 

[boogieman]

Aiming is pretty easy to teach in person. It's a bit more difficult to put to words. This isn't addressed to anyone in particular but it's hard to make a factual treatise on aiming because the problem is you have to see the shot with your own eyes. You might have to explain something 3 different ways for it to click for someone. Some visualization techniques are mathematically/geometrically wrong but visualization does not have to exactly follow math, though it is wise to understand the math/ideas of what's happening.

My buddy asked me how to aim kicks and banks last night. He plays some and is decent but isn't a player yet if that makes sense. I have hope for him though, he's getting interested. I taught him the mirror system for kicking and banking last night. I explained it simply and he missed the first kick, but not by much. I could see the light go on. I explained how speed/hardness of hit shortens or lengthens. Within a minute or two he was making contact. In the next game I left him plenty of kicking and banking opportunities and he made a kick as perfect as could be made. I explained hitting the correct side after absolutely briefly explaining tangent lines and to think of the CB as a rolling ball. Showed when natural roll overtakes backspin.

The thing that made it really click was I told him that systems are how it works mathematically, to a point, you still have to account for conditions like friction off the bed and rails, different rails etc. Then I told him you had to know the system but you have to also visualize it and see the shot with your own eyes. Once you see the shot you have to put some trust in it and most importantly closely watch what happens. If it misses you have an idea of how to change the results next time. If you don't closely watch the results you can never adjust the results of your visualization of the system to reality.

His game went up by quite a bit with just a few minutes of instruction. I could have showed him 3 or 4 different systems and at some point I may, but he's understanding and having some success. I know not all the stuff I told him about visualization was mathematically correct but the underlying system was.