can you explain please this break shot by Yapp?

[Flakeandrun]

Good question.

During the break....
Notice where the cb strikes the 1st long rail.
Next.... key.
On the break Yapps cue tip finishes to the Right after contacting the cue ball.
Because of his swing finishing right as he hits thru the shot, he's Pushing/squirting the cb to his left.
Most amazing aspect of this shot is the cb track coming off the second long rail.
It straightens out stays low away from the side pocket scratch.
Because there is no draw, the spin off the 1st long rail killed the cue ball to track just back and forth.

His break is now a level above his peers.
He's eliminated the side to side cb in the side pocket.

I think most people have cottoned onto this (Ko bros, Kaci brothers - Kledio especially, and anyone else who gives it a bit of arm speed). It's quite common place here where I am living. I saw Yapp fannying around with weights in both playing and break cues for a long time here. Hours even. Most of the players I like to play or watch here break in a similar fashion.

You can see the line of travel into the pack and initial tip placement. Trying to take a picture with the point of contact on the CB is a bit skewed due to taking the picture with my right hand and trying to hold the cue level to demonstrate. It's slightly exaggerating the placement. So I would give a fraction more toward center on both axis. Good wrist through the ball, and as you pointed out, a slight flourish/give toward the outside, and this is going just under the center diamond and back in an almost straight line.

 

[Island Drive]

I think most people have cottoned onto this (Ko bros, Kaci brothers - Kledio especially, and anyone else who gives it a bit of arm speed). It's quite common place here where I am living. I saw Yapp fannying around with weights in both playing and break cues for a long time here. Hours even. Most of the players I like to play or watch here break in a similar fashion.

Cottoned on to this?
What does that mean?
You never mentioned cb squirt, why?

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You can see the line of travel into the pack and initial tip placement. Trying to take a picture with the point of contact on the CB is a bit skewed due to taking the picture with my right hand and trying to hold the cue level to demonstrate. It's slightly exaggerating the placement. So I would give a fraction more toward center on both axis. Good wrist through the ball, and as you pointed out, a slight flourish/give toward the outside, and this is going just under the center diamond and back in an almost straight line.

 

[Flakeandrun]

Cottoned on to this?
What does that mean?

You can observe many players hitting the break in this fashion.

You never mentioned cb squirt, why?

Don't get me started on "deflection" He's picked his spot on the 1-ball and on the side rail, he's factored in what needs to happen to get it there in relation to arm speed, and action on the ball. I'd say, like most people, he then goes through the relevant trial and error for his subjective mechanics relating to his body size, shape, mass etc.

I used to think FSR had the break for this format, and I tried to copy that. It works well, but as you said yourself, when you get that even slightly wrong the middle pockets become an issue. It was Kledio Kaci who I first saw really giving it some, and made me want to put more into hitting that side rail and finding a straight line rather than arcing back under the 9 (that and a couple of local pros here who break across the top of the 1-ball - placing it slightly on the left, but hitting the right side of the 1-ball - I cannot emulate this, but this is the hardest I've ever seen a break with the right action on for this breaking format)

I know you play pretty tidy, so I am sure you would follow what I mean (if my early morning office typing is clear enough - coffee hasn't hit home yet). Watch the Ko brothers, Kaci, Yapp, to some extent Fedor when he ramps it up above the 'happy medium' speed (that lots have fallen into with this break format). They can get the CB back through the balls in similar fashion, but their mechanics look different.

 

[CanadianGuy]

I think it's possible to get pretty close on the speed by single-stepping the overhead views of the break and noting how many diamonds (12.5 inches) the cue ball goes between each frame. A large problem is that the original frame rate is maybe 60/second and YouTube seems to feed frames at 25 per second. That means that the time steps may vary from 2/60 of a second to 3/60 of a second. You can definitely see a difference in movement of about 50% between consecutive movements.

In the break shot at 25:50, I think there is 3.4 diamonds of cue ball travel in (3+2+3)/60 seconds. Just convert that to MPH.

thats great ty

chatgpt shows this as 18.1 mph which seems too slow

 

[CanadianGuy]

with a 10% margin of error still below 20mph?

 

[straightline]

Cottoned on to this?
What does that mean?

Cotton sticks to stuff is my best guess.

 

[Island Drive]

1. You can observe many players hitting the break in this fashion.

Don't get me started on "deflection" 2. He's picked his spot on the 1-ball and on the side rail, he's factored in what needs to happen to get it there in relation to arm speed, and action on the ball. I'd say, like most people, he then goes through the relevant trial and error for his subjective mechanics relating to his body size, shape, mass etc.

I used to think FSR had the break for this format, and I tried to copy that. It works well, but as you said yourself, when you get that even slightly wrong the middle pockets become an issue. It was Kledio Kaci who I first saw really giving it some, and made me want to put more into hitting that side rail and finding a straight line rather than arcing back under the 9 (that and a couple of local pros here who break across the top of the 1-ball - placing it slightly on the left, but hitting the right side of the 1-ball - I cannot emulate this, but this is the hardest I've ever seen a break with the right action on for this breaking format)

I know you play pretty tidy, so I am sure you would follow what I mean (if my early morning office typing is clear enough - coffee hasn't hit home yet). Watch the Ko brothers, Kaci, Yapp, to some extent Fedor when he ramps it up above the 'happy medium' speed (that lots have fallen into with this break format). They can get the CB back through the balls in similar fashion, but their mechanics look different.

1. The word Fashion and many do it, what is that fashion they do?
2. This is a total ''feel shot'' ones approach into the cb cueing feeling, is developed through yrs of play, winning and losing.

 

[Flakeandrun]

1. The word Fashion and many do it, what is that fashion they do?

As described, looking to go in and out to the rail at a straighter line to the 9 with more speed. This can be achieved with tip aligned with the meeting between 1-ball, and second row, through the ball with a slight flourish of the arm toward the outside (though not all of those players can be observed doing this due to the subjective nature of each players build, mass, mechanics etc). I’m not going through it all again

2. This is a total ''feel shot'' ones approach into the cb cueing feeling, is developed through yrs of play, winning and losing.

Absolutely agree with you here. Find what works.

 

[straightline]

I think most people have cottoned onto this (Ko bros, Kaci brothers - Kledio especially, and anyone else who gives it a bit of arm speed). It's quite common place here where I am living. I saw Yapp fannying around with weights in both playing and break cues for a long time here. Hours even. Most of the players I like to play or watch here break in a similar fashion.

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You can see the line of travel into the pack and initial tip placement. Trying to take a picture with the point of contact on the CB is a bit skewed due to taking the picture with my right hand and trying to hold the cue level to demonstrate. It's slightly exaggerating the placement. So I would give a fraction more toward center on both axis. Good wrist through the ball, and as you pointed out, a slight flourish/give toward the outside, and this is going just under the center diamond and back in an almost straight line.

Where on the back ball do the lines (cue and center ball) go? Why is the burnout line different? Or is it?

 

[Flakeandrun]

Where on the back ball do the lines (cue and center ball) go?

I thought I was being helpful I can try draw some lines on later. You mean you want to see the lines through to the end of the table? Maybe it's just not the best photo, was hard to hold the cue steady with one hand, and picture with the other lol

Why is the burnout line different? Or is it?

It’s not different, simply quite heavily worn. It’s about 5 months of almost daily play.

 

[straightline]

I thought I was being helpful I can try draw some lines on later. You mean you want to see the lines through to the end of the table? Maybe it's just not the best photo, was hard to hold the cue steady with one hand, and picture with the other lol


It’s not different, simply quite heavily worn. It’s about 5 months of almost daily play.

No need to rule anything. The pics are just fine. Just want to know how much back ball you the cue ball is aimed at and where the stick points.

 

[Flakeandrun]

No need to rule anything. The pics are just fine. Just want to know how much back ball you the cue ball is aimed at and where the stick points.

Ah, I see, the cue is misaligned to the burn mark. That's what you mean.
The burn mark is the intended line of travel, meeting at the point I described above. The cue is attempting to point at the desired striking position on the CB.
As mentioned above, It's a hard stun, with a touch of outside. Some players flourishing their arm in a pronounced fashion like Yapp to excentuate this - I have noticed in some footage I do this, some I do not - as Island Drive mentioned, it is a 'feel' shot and breaking in any format requires some 'on the job' flexibility and alteration (that's what separate the top guys from us mortals... the speed they make those adjustments)

 

[straightline]

Ah, I see, the cue is misaligned to the burn mark. That's what you mean.
The burn mark is the intended line of travel, meeting at the point I described above. The cue is attempting to point at the desired striking position on the CB.
As mentioned above, It's a hard stun, with a touch of outside. Some players flourishing their arm in a pronounced fashion like Yapp to excentuate this - I have noticed in some footage I do this, some I do not - as Island Drive mentioned, it is a 'feel' shot and breaking in any format requires some 'on the job' flexibility and alteration (that's what separate the top guys from us mortals... the speed they make those adjustments)

Ok so the burn mark is the correct alignment? When the top 10 break, it doesn't look like they're hitting that hard. Are they?

 

[mjantti]

Ok so the burn mark is the correct alignment? When the top 10 break, it doesn't look like they're hitting that hard. Are they?

What I've seen, I think most pros go for the controlled break speed (medium) first and if that doesn't work, they ramp up the speed.

 

[CanadianGuy]

so does this break increase the chance of a run out? or is it to secure the one in the side and have a "decent" but not optimal layout

I think it was Sigel who pointed out recently at the International Open he felt guys ran more racks in the past with a slam into headball and park the cueball centre table style break

just seems like a very difficult break shot to execute consistently at least for non pros

 

[Island Drive]

1. so does this break increase the chance of a run out? or is it to secure the one in the side and have a "decent" but not optimal layout

2, I think it was Sigel who pointed out recently at the International Open he felt guys ran more racks in the past with a slam into headball and park the cueball centre table style break

3. just seems like a very difficult break shot to execute consistently at least for non pros

1. Objective get cb in table center. Make 1 in the side. Don't scratch.
2. Pockets were allot bigger then and the one ball was on the spot, wing balls went too often, Sigel can talk to much at times .
3. Your right, to control a cb hit off center to squirt/inward to your desired obj. ball contact point is not a skill amateurs have yet developed or even understand. It's a total feel shot at a high speed, takes years to develop. A comparison, how many hours did you spend to learn to draw a ball straight back, 2'' then 6'' then 4 feet. I've seen Jason Shaw draw straight back & go four rails for shape.

 

[garczar]

Cotton sticks to stuff is my best guess.

That's an old southern saying 'cottoned on to'. Got bored, here ya go: https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cotton-on.html

 

[garczar]

so does this break increase the chance of a run out? or is it to secure the one in the side and have a "decent" but not optimal layout

I think it was Sigel who pointed out recently at the International Open he felt guys ran more racks in the past with a slam into headball and park the cueball centre table style break

just seems like a very difficult break shot to execute consistently at least for non pros

it ain't rocket science brother. he's trying to A. Make a ball and B. Have a shot. This is his method of doing that. Don't copy others, find your own way. I seriously doubt, no offense, that you have the stroke mechanics/power to break like this. No biggie, find YOUR break.