Was pool better 50 years ago?

Watching pool and going to pool halls was absolutely more fun and entertaining in the 70s and 80s. The quality of play cannot be compared though. Today's top players would slaughter yesteryears players. In my head, yesteryears players were like pool gods. Watching the old recordings of them tells a different story though.
 
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As it turns out, I have been attending events for fifty years, so it is easy to compare.

It is much more entertaining today. Pool was not a truly global game fifty years ago, and, at least for me, part of the fascination of pro pool today is seeing great play from pros coming from all over the world.

Pool was a largely American game fifty years ago, but now the list of 800+ Fargo players includes players from each of Singapore, Albania, Iraq, Vietnam, Lithuania, Bosnia, Hungary, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Serbia, Spain, Poland, Taiwan, Scotland, Greece, Austria, Russia and Estonia. None of these were considered pool playing countries fifty years ago.

Pool is a truly global game now, and the rate at which great new players are emerging in every corner of the globe is breathtaking to behold.

Pro pool as a truly global sport blows away pool as a chiefly American sport, and it's getting better and better.
You having said that, I have very little interest in watching today's pool. When I watch it on YouTube I find myself fast forwarding just to see who wins. The idea I would be driving hundreds of miles to watch a tournament today, not a chance.
 
You having said that, I have very little interest in watching today's pool. When I watch it on YouTube I find myself fast forwarding just to see who wins. The idea I would be driving hundreds of miles to watch a tournament today, not a chance.
Same. I fast forward to the end to see if it's close. If it's close, I'll reverse to the last few games and watch those. If the game is lopsided, I won't even do that.
 
I would compare it to what is Basketball now than what it was from 40-50 years ago as far as analogy goes. Pool now is better because of availability/access to it, more tournaments, pay, training, rule change, equipment change, racking sytem/equipment. Skills, other than jump shots becoming more of a staple now to escape a safety, there isn't much that pool players that makes them skills-better than your old pool gods. so does it make the new guys really good and make the old gods look like amateurs? now this interesting podcast is one I defer to when asked that question,
. discussion about it starts at 21:50 mark with both players giving their answers. now SVB was the top dog when this interview podcast happened.
 
what I can also say that there are more players (skilled/beginners) now than it was before. as far as pool gods go, they reach that status because they are exceptions to the lot.
 
Same. I fast forward to the end to see if it's close. If it's close, I'll reverse to the last few games and watch those. If the game is lopsided, I won't even do that.
I used to love to watch the play of the game. I used to often not even care who won. Strategy, cheating pockets to get amazing positions, great shot making, thin cuts, backward cuts under pressure. Risk and reward playing.

Today it's headline news if a player even goes for a shot. They never make thin cuts or anything that is even difficult if they can play safe. All they do is cinch shots anymore. It could not be more boring.
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I would compare it to what is Basketball now than what it was from 40-50 years ago as far as analogy goes. Pool now is better because of availability/access to it, more tournaments, pay, training, rule change, equipment change, racking sytem/equipment. Skills, other than jump shots becoming more of a staple now to escape a safety, there isn't much that pool players that makes them skills-better than your old pool gods. so does it make the new guys really good and make the old gods look like amateurs? now this interesting podcast is one I defer to when asked that question,
. discussion about it starts at 21:50 mark with both players giving their answers. now SVB was the top dog when this interview podcast happened.
I tend to disagree with that statement that I highlighted. I live in a town used to have about seven pool rooms between real pool rooms and bowling alleys. They were all great with championship equipment. Today we have one bowling alley and it doesn't even have a pool room room.

You read it on here all the time people complaining there's no place to play where they live. I wouldn't call this an improvement in the game when it's almost has no accessibility unless you play on a bar league.


Except among the small subculture and professional players and there's not that many of them that could make a dime, pool is almost nonexistent in the US anymore.
 
You having said that, I have very little interest in watching today's pool. When I watch it on YouTube I find myself fast forwarding just to see who wins. The idea I would be driving hundreds of miles to watch a tournament today, not a chance.
All good. You enjoy what you enjoy.

The biggest stars of fifty years ago were probably Mizerak, Sigel, Varner, Rempe and Hall. Were they more entertaining to watch than today's crop? Not to me. Were they more animated than today's crop? Not to me. It's a myth that the stars of fifty years ago were any less robotic than the stars of today. Today, despite the presence of a few superstars at the top, nobody can hold the top position for long. In 2022, FSR was player of the year. In 2023, it was Filler. In 2024, it was Gorst. In 2025, it was Yapp. Let's see if yet another player finds his way to the top in 2026. I can't wait to watch!

For me, and this pertains to every sport I watch, what I enjoy the most is watching the emergence of new talent. The unprecedented amount of new talent that is emerging today in pro pool today is leaps and bounds beyond what we saw back in the day, and it's because the whole world is playing pool now, which wasn't true fifty years ago.

Still, you must go where your tastes lead you and it is not for me to tell you what you should and should not enjoy. Thanks for your input.
 
Tournament play is infinitely better these days, with far more events, an international field, better equipment, a variety of games and widely available streaming.

OTOH I'm more partial to the days when there were dozens of pool rooms in nearly every big metro area, and in many of them you could almost always find action. Contrast that to today, with almost no action rooms, and the few thriving pool rooms feature nothing but those sorryassed Romper Room barbox tables.
 
For me, and this pertains to every sport I watch, what I enjoy the most is watching the emergence of new talent. The unprecedented amount of new talent that is emerging today in pro pool today is leaps and bounds beyond what we saw back in the day, and it's because the whole world is playing pool now, which wasn't true fifty years ago.
This is also what keeps me interested at 81, and with luck for years to come. Just in the last year I've loved watching the emergence of Neuhausen and the rise of Atencio, who's fast becoming my favorite player. That doesn't take away anything from the great players of the past, like Buddy and Sigel and Nick, but what's made it better is the coming of one great international player after another. It's the same reason that baseball is vastly improved over the days when 99% of the players were American born. Bigger talent pools make for better talent.

And let's not forget the women. Other than Balukis, I doubt if any of the women from the 80's on back could compete with any one of dozens of the best women players today from all over the world. Players like Seo and Jasmin and Kristina are every bit as much fun to watch as the top men players, even if their game is at a lower level.

Looking forward to Derby City! Bring it on!
 
This is also what keeps me interested at 81, and with luck for years to come. Just in the last year I've loved watching the emergence of Neuhausen and the rise of Atencio, who's fast becoming my favorite player. That doesn't take away anything from the great players of the past, like Buddy and Sigel and Nick, but what's made it better is the coming of one great international player after another. It's the same reason that baseball is vastly improved over the days when 99% of the players were American born. Bigger talent pools make for better talent.

And let's not forget the women. Other than Balukis, I doubt if any of the women from the 80's on back could compete with any one of dozens of the best women players today from all over the world. Players like Seo and Jasmin and Kristina are every bit as much fun to watch as the top men players, even if their game is at a lower level.

Looking forward to Derby City! Bring it on!
Derby might be the one exception as to tournaments worth watching. Having said, that regardless of who wins or what happens you won't see one mention of it in any paper or public media anywhere in the country. It's an invisible sport.
 
Thomas Wolfe may have said that but that doesn't mean you can't try. It doesn't mean you have to accept change as inevitable and inflexible.
actually, "Wolfe took the title from a conversation with the writer Ella Winter, who remarked to Wolfe: 'Don't you know you can't go home again?' Wolfe then asked Winter for permission to use the phrase as the title of his book." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Can't_Go_Home_Again

and, to borrow another one -- the race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that is the way to bet
 
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Derby might be the one exception as to tournaments worth watching. Having said, that regardless of who wins or what happens you won't see one mention of it in any paper or public media anywhere in the country. It's an invisible sport.
You literally have to go back 100 years to find pool featured in the sports pages of major American newspapers. And when was the last time we had pool matches on ESPN?

I love Derby City's Bigfoot Challenge, but other than that I usually wait for the last few rounds to watch anything else. And that banks ring game is a total snoozer.
 
Nostalgia can be very deceiving.
I spent a good portion of my life in the automotive world and I can't count the number of 60-80 year old men that just had to have that 65 Mustang or 67 Corvette or 71 Challenger or whatever because those cars were so much better than the crap they build today just to spend 20K on a OEM type restoration and then rarely drive them because they realize compared to anything modern, they kinda suck. Then they spend another 30K on a fuel injected engine with an electronically shifted transmission to go along with the complete suspension and brake swap just to make it tolerable to drive in our modern world.

Times change and things evolve.

In sports, most things aren't really better or worse; they are just different.
 
You having said that, I have very little interest in watching today's pool. When I watch it on YouTube I find myself fast forwarding just to see who wins. The idea I would be driving hundreds of miles to watch a tournament today, not a chance.
As much as I respect SJM's opinion on many other aspects of pool, on this I agree with you. Oh gee, another 9 towards the side, wing ball in corner..only mystery is where the 2 ball is. Nearly identical stance & stroke, player to player...no chatting. Very high quality of play, but litttle excitement.

Compare a match today with this...and then decide. To each his own.. (McCready vs. Efren..sorry you need to click to see.)

 
I used to love to watch the play of the game. I used to often not even care who won. Strategy, cheating pockets to get amazing positions, great shot making, thin cuts, backward cuts under pressure. Risk and reward playing.

Today it's headline news if a player even goes for a shot. They never make thin cuts or anything that is even difficult if they can play safe. All they do is cinch shots anymore. It could not be more boring.
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I would say that some are overrated although there are a few that are really worth the highlights.
 
I tend to disagree with that statement that I highlighted. I live in a town used to have about seven pool rooms between real pool rooms and bowling alleys. They were all great with championship equipment. Today we have one bowling alley and it doesn't even have a pool room room.

You read it on here all the time people complaining there's no place to play where they live. I wouldn't call this an improvement in the game when it's almost has no accessibility unless you play on a bar league.


Except among the small subculture and professional players and there's not that many of them that could make a dime, pool is almost nonexistent in the US anymore.
in my area, it's different. when I moved to where I am now, the first thing I did was to find a good pool room or atleast something that resembles a poolroom. I only found 3 and they have no players to go up against within 3 miles and 1 around 12 miles. you can't even find a single shop where to buy some good cues locally except ordering from Ebay. one of the main reasons why I quit and stopped playing pool 15 years ago. now that I got back to playing pool, there are atleast 6 pool rooms within my vicinity and 20 within 12 miles. what is also nice is that there are now leagues, tournaments and communities that got established after when I was playing by myself. atleast, that's my experience.
 
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