Hayden Ernst 14 Years of age...Straight shooter

There’s the exception. And after his great 2005? Maybe Ernst will be an exception. This started as a Mosconi Cup question. I would be hesitant to put him on the team this year. I don’t think it would be that great for his development. That’s all. If he wins a world championship that would change things. But how likely do you think it is that he will win one before turning 18? This is not a knock on him. I was impressed with what he did at the Derby.

when did fedor win his first? it was pre-pandemic iirc. filler was 20 or 21. you're right either way, that's exceptions
 
I read the kids improve (on average) in leaps and bounds faster than adults because a kids tend to focus on different things than adults. Specifically, kids tend to forget their mistakes faster and instead focus on what they did right. Adults are just the opposite...they tend to focus on correcting what they did wrong. Makes sense; I can see that.

I have known a few youngsters that raced to a high level in pool (700+), and then just stopped and stayed at that level until age started to usher in their decline. I think it's impossible to predict which ones are going to break through and keep improving to become elite.
 
There’s the exception. And after his great 2005? Maybe Ernst will be an exception. This started as a Mosconi Cup question. I would be hesitant to put him on the team this year. I don’t think it would be that great for his development. That’s all. If he wins a world championship that would change things. But how likely do you think it is that he will win one before turning 18? This is not a knock on him. I was impressed with what he did at the Derby.
I disagree. The mosconi cup is where we can take advantage of that naivete. The pressure won't affect him like it will an established adult.
 
I disagree. The mosconi cup is where we can take advantage of that naivete. The pressure won't affect him like it will an established adult.

Maybe. And what happens if he has a terrible experience? Dogs some 9 balls or easy outs like happened this year? I hope that doesn’t happen to anyone, but how does a 15 year old handle that compared to a 21 year old? How might that affect his development? Again, I can’t judge it fully. Don’t know him or his family, etc….

And why should we “ take advantage” of any of a 14-15 year old’s naivety for some chance at a better showing in that event this year?
 
i dont think home state is an advantage for the mosconi cup since there will be very loud fans rooting for the other team.
as for age being an advantage
from an experience stand point yes
from the attitude of invincibility from youth
i am not sure who wins that one
for both it would first time representing USA and playing mosconi cup
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he's not going to shit on his shoes like Steyer did. i'd take this kid every time. he's the first 'prodigy-like' big table player this country has seen in years. talent,balls,hates to lose, cool headed. What's not to like.
 
Prodigies also rise to the level of their incompetence like the rest of us. There have been many thousands of youngsters who had great talents only to settle for the minor leagues, house golf pro's, good college players even great who couldn't get to the professional ranks. There's a reason why professional tennis and baseball have minor leagues and the same for other sports. Big fish in a bigger pond.
 
Maybe. And what happens if he has a terrible experience? Dogs some 9 balls or easy outs like happened this year? I hope that doesn’t happen to anyone, but how does a 15 year old handle that compared to a 21 year old? How might that affect his development? Again, I can’t judge it fully. Don’t know him or his family, etc….

And why should we “ take advantage” of any of a 14-15 year old’s naivety for some chance at a better showing in that event this year?
Of course I wouldn't want him to do it if he didn't want to, and I didn't mean the collective "WE" should take advantage of him. I meant HE could take advantage of it to perform better than the players that have suffered under the pressure.
 
he's not going to shit on his shoes like Steyer did. i'd take this kid every time. he's the first 'prodigy-like' big table player this country has seen in years. talent,balls,hates to lose, cool headed. What's not to like.

It’s because he’s the first prodigy like talent in years, everything to like etc… that we shouldn’t rush his development IMO.
 
Dennis Hatch was getting the better of EVERYONE when he was 15. Kind of fizzled out and never dominated like many thought he would. impossible to predict where someone's ceiling is.
IMO DH's pool career would have been MUCH better if it wasn't for his dad. Talk about a bad influence. Having a major blow dealer as your pop can't be good. Not saying DH was entirely innocent in the deal but his family/surroundings had to play a big part.
 
IMO DH's pool career would have been MUCH better if it wasn't for his dad. Talk about a bad influence. Having a major blow dealer as your pop can't be good. Not saying DH was entirely innocent in the deal but his family/surroundings had to play a big part.

didn't his father travel around with him when he was a child to make money off his playing ability..
 
Maybe. And what happens if he has a terrible experience? Dogs some 9 balls or easy outs like happened this year? I hope that doesn’t happen to anyone, but how does a 15 year old handle that compared to a 21 year old? How might that affect his development? Again, I can’t judge it fully. Don’t know him or his family, etc….

And why should we “ take advantage” of any of a 14-15 year old’s naivety for some chance at a better showing in that event this year?
Why don't you just wrap him in bubble wrap and put him in the closet.

There's one guaranteed way for him not to be successful and that's to not let him play.

Thank god you're not in charge of him
 
Why don't you just wrap him in bubble wrap and put him in the closet.

There's one guaranteed way for him not to be successful and that's to not let him play.

Thank god you're not in charge of him
Perfectly stated. Agree 100%. This isn't a case of bad parents pushing some poor kid. He wants to be in the cauldron and he has the chops/attitude to handle it.
 
Perfectly stated. Agree 100%. This isn't a case of bad parents pushing some poor kid. He wants to be in the cauldron and he has the chops/attitude to handle it.
Maybe they should have him only play 600FR and under until he's 21 so he never loses...and never improves.

This guy JP has the worst take in history
 
Maybe they should have him only play 600FR and under until he's 21 so he never loses...and never improves.

This guy JP has the worst take in history

You know that’s not what I said or advocated. If they were to do that it would be poor player development the other way. You are right in that I don’t know the perfect way to bring him along. But I’m also of the opinion that the Mosconi Cup THIS year is probably a bad idea.
 
You know that’s not what I said or advocated. If they were to do that it would be poor player development the other way. You are right in that I don’t know the perfect way to bring him along. But I’m also of the opinion that the Mosconi Cup THIS year is probably a bad idea.
Again, if he qualifies he qualifies. What expertise do you have in mentoring/instructing high performing individuals? Is everybody the same?
 
Maybe they should have him only play 600FR and under until he's 21 so he never loses...and never improves.

This guy JP has the worst take in history
Tiger was playin in gambling games with his dad's cronies when he was about 10-11. His dad knew that there was no better preparation for later golf. Tiger also was doing his own travel prep. when he played junior tournaments. He was more mature/seasoned at 17 than some players ever get to.
 
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