Help Authenticating an AMF Playmaster Royal Oak Table

[Schuby]

I recently purchased a used, what I think, AMF Playmaster Royal Oak table. The original receipt is dated 8-15-85 and is issued by Playmaster-Renaissance, Inc so I am assuming it was after the Renaissance acquisition. This table appears to have originated from and sold to a gentleman in Bland, MO. I have attached pictures of the table, spec sheet, original bill of sale, and also what appears to be some sort of serial numbers on the wood on the underside of the table. My questions are listed below, any information that you can give me insight on would be much appreciated, thank you for your time.

1. There is no badge or plate on the rails branding it as an "AMF Playmaster" or an "AMF Playmaster Royal Oak". There doesn't even seem to be any nail, tack, or screw holes on the rail where one would have been. Is this a concern that it is not an authentic AMF Playmaster Royal Oak or not.

2. I am assuming the build spec sheet and sales receipt is legitimate for this table.

3. There are 3 what appears to be "serial numbers" on the table, and one appears like it could have been kind of crossed out because it kind of looks like there is a line drawn through it.

4. Is there significance to the numbers on the wood of the inside of the table that can identify the table as an AMF Palymaster Royal Oak?

Again, thank you for your time, I am hoping you may be able to provide some information on the validity of the table and history. Thank you.

 

[garczar]

No offense but i don't know anyone that collects AMF/Playmaster/Renaissance tables. Its a decent home table, don't know what else to say. Looks to be in good shape, just enjoy using it. They are not collectors tables. BTW, AMF bought PM/Ren in the early 90's. The Bailey's then opened CL Bailey. Bailey got bought in '25 and moved to Houston.

 

[garczar]

Did a lil search and a table a lot like this, marked AMF/Playmaster, recently sold in the Houston are for 200bux. Not trying to knock your table just making you aware of what it is and what they sell for. Play the hell out of it and don't worry about little details.

 

[Schuby]

Yeah. I think your right. It's definitely better than the Brunswick Monarch I had before. Not that the Monarch was a bad table, but this is all solid oak and 1" Brazilian slate (3 piece) vs the Brunswick Monarch I had which was MDF and 3/4" slate (3 piece). On top of that this potentially "AMF Playmaster Royal Oak" is a Pro 8 table vs the Monarch which was a regular 8'. Personal preference but I like the Pro 8' tables.

 

[Black-Balled]

 

[garczar]

Yeah. I think your right. It's definitely better than the Brunswick Monarch I had before. Not that the Monarch was a bad table, but this is all solid oak and 1" Brazilian slate (3 piece) vs the Brunswick Monarch I had which was MDF and 3/4" slate (3 piece). On top of that this potentially "AMF Playmaster Royal Oak" is a Pro 8 table vs the Monarch which was a regular 8'. Personal preference but I like the Pro 8' tables.

sounds like a keeper. Enjoy it. They were built in the US as opposed to everything being chinese today.

 

[Mensabum]

I recently purchased a used, what I think, AMF Playmaster Royal Oak table. The original receipt is dated 8-15-85 and is issued by Playmaster-Renaissance, Inc so I am assuming it was after the Renaissance acquisition. This table appears to have originated from and sold to a gentleman in Bland, MO. I have attached pictures of the table, spec sheet, original bill of sale, and also what appears to be some sort of serial numbers on the wood on the underside of the table. My questions are listed below, any information that you can give me insight on would be much appreciated, thank you for your time.

1. There is no badge or plate on the rails branding it as an "AMF Playmaster" or an "AMF Playmaster Royal Oak". There doesn't even seem to be any nail, tack, or screw holes on the rail where one would have been. Is this a concern that it is not an authentic AMF Playmaster Royal Oak or not.

2. I am assuming the build spec sheet and sales receipt is legitimate for this table.

3. There are 3 what appears to be "serial numbers" on the table, and one appears like it could have been kind of crossed out because it kind of looks like there is a line drawn through it.

4. Is there significance to the numbers on the wood of the inside of the table that can identify the table as an AMF Palymaster Royal Oak?

Again, thank you for your time, I am hoping you may be able to provide some information on the validity of the table and history. Thank you.

Check with Cue and Cushion in St Louis, Mo.
314-427-9267. Ask for Chris.
That numbering looks familiar.

 

[Schuby]

Check with Cue and Cushion in St Louis, Mo.
314-427-9267. Ask for Chris.
That numbering looks familiar.

Cool. Thank you. Not really looking for the info to figure out value, just wondering if it is an AMF Playmaster Royal Oak. I mean the original documentation tells a pretty convincing story I just never seen an AMF table without a brand placard either affixed to a rail or inlay-ed into a rail.

 

[garczar]

Cool. Thank you. Not really looking for the info to figure out value, just wondering if it is an AMF Playmaster Royal Oak. I mean the original documentation tells a pretty convincing story I just never seen an AMF table without a brand placard either affixed to a rail or inlay-ed into a rail.

No telling. May have been ordered without logo. The invoice is pretty clear what it is.

 

[Schuby]

Thank you @Mensabum ! He was able to authenticate it! It appears that AMF had an option for customers to negate a brand placard as some people did not like them on the rails while playing pool. 1985 also puts CL Bailey in Bland Missouri and people could order AMF tables through that business on the sales receipt.

 

[bradsh98]

Yeah. I think your right. It's definitely better than the Brunswick Monarch I had before. Not that the Monarch was a bad table, but this is all solid oak and 1" Brazilian slate (3 piece) vs the Brunswick Monarch I had which was MDF and 3/4" slate (3 piece). On top of that this potentially "AMF Playmaster Royal Oak" is a Pro 8 table vs the Monarch which was a regular 8'. Personal preference but I like the Pro 8' tables.

I don't know about solid oak..... Your photos show a lot of pine, particle board, and plywood....

Not that it means much, but you mentioned that you had a Brunswick Monarch table that had 3/4" thick slate with MDF (presumably the slate liner). That doesn't seem right... There was a 2 1/2" Levelite (non-slate) version of the Monarch: https://brunswick.pastperfectonline.com/library/964B6F99-F6AB-4B9C-8D6C-817975234480

Of course, just about any table would be a better option than that..

The original version of the Monarch is a MUCH higher quality table: https://www.billiardrestoration.com/antique-pool-tables/monarch.htm

 

[maha]

that will be a nice home table and should play very well. fits in a home instead of looking like a commercial one out of place.

 

[Schuby]

I don't know about solid oak..... Your photos show a lot of pine, particle board, and plywood....

Not that it means much, but you mentioned that you had a Brunswick Monarch table that had 3/4" thick slate with MDF (presumably the slate liner). That doesn't seem right... There was a 2 1/2" Levelite (non-slate) version of the Monarch: https://brunswick.pastperfectonline.com/library/964B6F99-F6AB-4B9C-8D6C-817975234480

Of course, just about any table would be a better option than that..

The original version of the Monarch is a MUCH higher quality table: https://www.billiardrestoration.com/antique-pool-tables/monarch.htm

The Monarch was my first table I redone. The slate was on MDF and so were the legs. All in all though, the Monarch was a good table. Only tough thing for me is I couldn’t find bumpers for it, the edge of the rails were straight like a 2x4 so I had to send the rails off to be modified so I could use K66 bumpers. Also tried to replace the plastic pockets but when I bought some replacement pockets it caused the rails to be off and they didn’t fit anymore, so I had to put the plastic pockets back on.

 

[Mensabum]

Cool. Thank you. Not really looking for the info to figure out value, just wondering if it is an AMF Playmaster Royal Oak. I mean the original documentation tells a pretty convincing story I just never seen an AMF table without a brand placard either affixed to a rail or inlay-ed into a rail.

They can tell you. There's one old Playmaster in there, I think it's table #12, so they carried them all at one time or another. Place is a wealth of info bro.
Super nice people to deal with. The Best!!