How did your HOF’r explain that unnecessarily adding spin is an advantage? And why did you believe it?
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90+ degree cut shot
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chgo
Don't be too hard on him, He's 'Pool Geek Non-player'!
I'll take this!
You should like this, it's from AI!
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AI Overview
Inside English (spin towards the rail) is generally considered more effective for potting an object ball frozen to the rail, as it helps the cue ball "gear" or grip the rail, reducing throw and ensuring the object ball travels straight along the cushion.
Key Considerations for Frozen Rails:
- Inside English Advantage: It acts as a counter-acting force to the contact-induced throw that naturally pushes the object ball away from the rail.
- Cue Action: Use a level cue and a soft-to-medium stroke. Elevating the cue can cause the cue ball to hop or push away from the rail.
- Alternative Methods: Some players prefer using center-ball, or even slight outside English to avoid excessive, complex spin.
- Position Play: Inside spin is highly effective for controlling the cue ball's path, allowing it to move along the rail or bend away after hitting the object ball.
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Except Buddy said the squirt “thins the hit”, nothing to do with a rail.
But since we’re on the subject, how does inside spin cause the CB to contact the back side of the OB, ball first, as you claim, when the OB is frozen to a rail?
pj
chgo
I can't and don't speak for Buddy Hall, I speak for Bill Smith!
I just agreed with part of what has been alleged He said!
Thers's a 'Front side and backside' to the OB frozen on a cushion!
Any part of the OB that is contacted less than 1/2 ball can be considered the 'back side'!
While We're on it, I'd like 'YOU' (Not Dr Dave or Bob Jewitt) to post a video of 'YOU' debunking what I've claimed!
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This was in an actual game on a 5'x10' GC1!
Here's an instance where I used 'Outside English' but Not to actually cut the OB, but to get position after fighting through the balls to get to the short or long rail!
BTW, my CB was only about 1-1.5" from the OB!
On a 'Simulator' higher than Yours!
You know 'Inside' helps the Frozen Ball shot, 'You' just want to pile on!
So, without an iota of science for backing, here’s what works for me: when the OB and CB are not too far apart, like less than a foot, I use a level cue and some inside with enough speed to get the ball to the pocket — usually that’s a firm hit.
My working theory has nothing to do with spin or the dark side of the moon or bridge lengths but just that a bit of inside squirts the CB out a bit so that you get a thinner hit than your brain is willing to gofer.
That’s it.
Lou Figueroa
My working theory has nothing to do with spin or the dark side of the moon or bridge lengths but just that a bit of inside squirts the CB out a bit so that you get a thinner hit than your brain is willing to gofer.
That’s it.
Lou Figueroa
We both know where You are coming from, don't try to hide it Now!
well said. i'm sure prof. pj will shit all over it. i put him back on ignore. done fadin 'prince of pedantry'.
You crack me up.
Suddenly you’re St. Bill, lol. Don’t make me go back to many of your previous posts, to include your promise (never fulfilled) to prove me wrong on a video.
Dufus.
Lou Figueroa
That's a nice thin cut, but that shot is slightly less than 90° and nobody disagrees that shots that are less than 90° can be cut in with any english.
On all of your shots that are actually over 90°, on every single one of them you are spinning from the rail first and then into the object ball. Even if you were managing to just barely graze the object ball first on some of them, which you probably aren't, but even if you were the cue ball is still hitting the rail and spinning back into the object ball to send it on its final path, and that is the only thing that is making the over 90° cut with inside english and a level cue possible.
If you or anyone else could cut the object ball more than 90° with inside english and a level stroke you would be able to do it the way Bob Jewett diagrammed it post #44 and which I included again below, but yet you are unable to do it without having the rail there to be able to spin into with the cue ball prior to its last contact with the object ball.
Get the object ball away from the rail and shoot it like in Bob's diagram below, where it is not possible for you to spin into the rail with the cue ball prior to its last contact with the object ball like you have been doing in all your other videos even though you don't realize it, and where the shot can clearly be seen to actually be over 90° and not under as it is in the video from the post I quoted.