Any reviews out there for UNLIMITED (Double Carbon) Carbon Fiber shafts (from Japan)?

[vintagecollectibles831]

Edit: I just found a review of the UNLIMITED (Double Carbon) Carbon Fiber shaft, just in case anyone here would like to read about it. The review appears to come directly from the cue maker.

〈BD〉UNLIMITED（アンリミテッド）ダブルカーボンシャフト 好評発売中！ 先端径12.8mm/ 11.8mm。標準：30インチ、受注生産：29インチ

昨年（2024年）一般販売が始まった 国産キューブランド、 『UNLIMITED』（アンリミテッド）。 国内タイトルホルダーである 竹中寛や村松さくらといったプロ達が UNLIMITEDプレーキューを手に 活躍しています。 UNLIMITEDのプレーキューには、 同ブランドが独自に開発した 『ダブルカーボンシャフト』が 標準シャフトとして装備されています。 そのダブルカーボンシャフトが シャフト単体でも購入できるようになりました。 UNLIMITEDシャフトは、 一般的なシャフトより1インチ長い 30インチ（76.2cm）が基本ですが、 一般的な長さである...

www.billiards-days.com

Long shot question, but I would really like to find any reviews (or hear any thoughts) about the UNLIMITED (Double Carbon) Carbon Fiber shafts.

シャフト アンリミテッド ダブルカーボン 12.4mm ラジアル Radial

シャフト アンリミテッド ダブルカーボン 12.4mm ラジアル Radial

www.newart.co.jp

By the way, UNLIMITED is a custom pool cue maker in Japan.

I like the look of the taper on these shafts, but just curious to read some reviews about them.

I know, you might be thinking, why not just ask Newart how they feel about the hit. Well, I would rather ask those who actually purchased, and used one, and not a retail store. The customer service has been very nice, and honest with me in the past though, so they probably would be honest, if I were to ask them.

I am also curious about some of the other CF shafts that are made in Japan, other then the Mezz Ignite.

Thanks for any thoughts, if you happened to ever try out any of the CF shafts, from Japan (other then the Mezz Ignite).

 

[Mensabum]

Edit: I just found a review of the UNLIMITED (Double Carbon) Carbon Fiber shaft, just in case anyone here would like to read about it. The review appears to come directly from the cue maker.

〈BD〉UNLIMITED（アンリミテッド）ダブルカーボンシャフト 好評発売中！ 先端径12.8mm/ 11.8mm。標準：30インチ、受注生産：29インチ

昨年（2024年）一般販売が始まった 国産キューブランド、 『UNLIMITED』（アンリミテッド）。 国内タイトルホルダーである 竹中寛や村松さくらといったプロ達が UNLIMITEDプレーキューを手に 活躍しています。 UNLIMITEDのプレーキューには、 同ブランドが独自に開発した 『ダブルカーボンシャフト』が 標準シャフトとして装備されています。 そのダブルカーボンシャフトが シャフト単体でも購入できるようになりました。 UNLIMITEDシャフトは、 一般的なシャフトより1インチ長い 30インチ（76.2cm）が基本ですが、 一般的な長さである...

www.billiards-days.com

Long shot question, but I would really like to find any reviews (or hear any thoughts) about the UNLIMITED (Double Carbon) Carbon Fiber shafts.

シャフト アンリミテッド ダブルカーボン 12.4mm ラジアル Radial

シャフト アンリミテッド ダブルカーボン 12.4mm ラジアル Radial

www.newart.co.jp

By the way, UNLIMITED is a custom pool cue maker in Japan.

I like the look of the taper on these shafts, but just curious to read some reviews about them.

I know, you might be thinking, why not just ask Newart how they feel about the hit. Well, I would rather ask those who actually purchased, and used one, and not a retail store. The customer service has been very nice, and honest with me in the past though, so they probably would be honest, if I were to ask them.

I am also curious about some of the other CF shafts that are made in Japan, other then the Mezz Ignite.

Thanks for any thoughts, if you happened to ever try out any of the CF shafts, from Japan (other then the Mezz Ignite).

For those of you that don't have translate and all that happy jazz, this is a carbon fiber shaft with a CF rod inside filled with typical urethane foam.
They typeset I read said it's difficult to make a solid CF shaft. Who knew??
It also compares this shaft to a high quality wood shaft. I found that surprising.
My guess is, cheap layered woven CF tube with a rod inside that's necessary to reinforce the cheaper outer CF tube. It may hit well, may hit like every other and this is just a gimic.
I found it hard to find out much about the company and where they were sold except for a mention about eBay. But that is no longer available. Strange, since they've supposedly been available for over a year. Comes with a good tip which is half the battle and affects hit to a large extent.
Other than that, without specific numbers like the k count on the fiber used, and dimensions of the core rod, I'd hold off on pulling the trigger on this one until it's made more available with more info and not just market speak.
That is, if you can even find one.
Save yourself the hassle and just buy a Hybrid!!

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

For those of you that don't have translate and all that happy jazz, this is a carbon fiber shaft with a CF rod inside filled with typical urethane foam.
They typeset I read said it's difficult to make a solid CF shaft. Who knew??
It also compares this shaft to a high quality wood shaft. I found that surprising.
My guess is, cheap layered woven CF tube with a rod inside that's necessary to reinforce the cheaper outer CF tube. It may hit well, may hit like every other and this is just a gimic.
I found it hard to find out much about the company and where they were sold except for a mention about eBay. But that is no longer available. Strange, since they've supposedly been available for over a year. Comes with a good tip which is half the battle and affects hit to a large extent.
Other than that, without specific numbers like the k count on the fiber used, and dimensions of the core rod, I'd hold off on pulling the trigger on this one until it's made more available with more info and not just market speak.
That is, if you can even find one.
Save yourself the hassle and just buy a Hybrid!!

Thanks for your reply. I guess that most (if not all) of these custom cue makers out there, use cheap CF tubes, from China.

I also see that the high end shafts, that cost $500-$700, list the specs that you were referring to in your reply, and many of them probably also make their own CF tubes. That might have sounded really dumb, when I put those two facts together, lol.

I guess if I want a really high quality CF shaft, then those are the prices that I will have to pay.

 

[garczar]

Thanks for your reply. I guess that most (if not all) of these custom cue makers out there, use cheap CF tubes, from China.

I also see that the high end shafts, that cost $500-$700, list the specs that you were referring to in your reply, and many of them probably also make their own CF tubes. That might have sounded really dumb, when I put those two facts together, lol.

I guess if I want a really high quality CF shaft, then those are the prices that I will have to pay.

Cue/shaft marketers love guys like you. Don't have to spend 500-700bux to get a hi quality shaft.

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

Cue/shaft marketers love guys like you. Don't have to spend 500-700bux to get a hi quality shaft.

People keep telling me that the Rhino CF shaft hits really nice. But, on the Secondary market, it is a worthless shaft, and nobody wants a used Rhino. Does not sound very positive to me.

One guy did tell me that the Rhino has no LD properties in it though, and has about the same deflection as a standard maple shaft. Maybe that is why a lot of players like it. The standard maple deflection, and the feel of it.

 

[deep]

People keep telling me that the Rhino CF shaft hits really nice. But, on the Secondary market, it is a worthless shaft, and nobody wants a used Rhino. Does not sound very positive to me.

One guy did tell me that the Rhino has no LD properties in it though, and has about the same deflection as a standard maple shaft. Maybe that is why a lot of players like it. The standard maple deflection, and the feel of it.

I have a standard Rhino shaft and deflection wise it plays almost identical to the 314-3 shaft I have.

 

[deep]

Edit: I just found a review of the UNLIMITED (Double Carbon) Carbon Fiber shaft, just in case anyone here would like to read about it. The review appears to come directly from the cue maker.

〈BD〉UNLIMITED（アンリミテッド）ダブルカーボンシャフト 好評発売中！ 先端径12.8mm/ 11.8mm。標準：30インチ、受注生産：29インチ

昨年（2024年）一般販売が始まった 国産キューブランド、 『UNLIMITED』（アンリミテッド）。 国内タイトルホルダーである 竹中寛や村松さくらといったプロ達が UNLIMITEDプレーキューを手に 活躍しています。 UNLIMITEDのプレーキューには、 同ブランドが独自に開発した 『ダブルカーボンシャフト』が 標準シャフトとして装備されています。 そのダブルカーボンシャフトが シャフト単体でも購入できるようになりました。 UNLIMITEDシャフトは、 一般的なシャフトより1インチ長い 30インチ（76.2cm）が基本ですが、 一般的な長さである...

www.billiards-days.com

Long shot question, but I would really like to find any reviews (or hear any thoughts) about the UNLIMITED (Double Carbon) Carbon Fiber shafts.

シャフト アンリミテッド ダブルカーボン 12.4mm ラジアル Radial

シャフト アンリミテッド ダブルカーボン 12.4mm ラジアル Radial

www.newart.co.jp

By the way, UNLIMITED is a custom pool cue maker in Japan.

I like the look of the taper on these shafts, but just curious to read some reviews about them.

I know, you might be thinking, why not just ask Newart how they feel about the hit. Well, I would rather ask those who actually purchased, and used one, and not a retail store. The customer service has been very nice, and honest with me in the past though, so they probably would be honest, if I were to ask them.

I am also curious about some of the other CF shafts that are made in Japan, other then the Mezz Ignite.

Thanks for any thoughts, if you happened to ever try out any of the CF shafts, from Japan (other then the Mezz Ignite).

I have one on its way from Japan so I'll write a review when it arrives.

 

[skiergd011013]

If it is truly made in japan, i bet it is high quality

 

[Mensabum]

Thanks for your reply. I guess that most (if not all) of these custom cue makers out there, use cheap CF tubes, from China.

I also see that the high end shafts, that cost $500-$700, list the specs that you were referring to in your reply, and many of them probably also make their own CF tubes. That might have sounded really dumb, when I put those two facts together, lol.

I guess if I want a really high quality CF shaft, then those are

Your guess is as good as mine bro. I'm stuck on these hybrids now. A Kielwood next, then purpleheart. All hybrid. See what happens.

the prices that I will have to pay.

 

[Mensabum]

If it is truly made in japan, i bet it is high quality

You would think.

 

[KREE8TIV]

Kielwood or purpleheart hybrid would be cool ! Inlays in the shaft of hybrid could be interesting ...

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

Your guess is as good as mine bro. I'm stuck on these hybrids now. A Kielwood next, then purpleheart. All hybrid. See what happens.

Hi, I assume by Hybrid, you mean the Maple shafts, with the Carbon Core. Like, the Kielwood with Carbon Core Lucasi shafts, for example? They have the feel of wood, but the hit of Carbon Fiber? I imagine they woukd just hit super stiff, like the Mezz Hybrid Pro 2, for example. I hated that shaft.

 

[Jaden]

Thanks for your reply. I guess that most (if not all) of these custom cue makers out there, use cheap CF tubes, from China.

I also see that the high end shafts, that cost $500-$700, list the specs that you were referring to in your reply, and many of them probably also make their own CF tubes. That might have sounded really dumb, when I put those two facts together, lol.

I guess if I want a really high quality CF shaft, then those are the prices that I will have to pay.

Yes, most of the cf shafts out there use chinese blanks that are actually not low deflection and in some cases high deflection. I did just this morning prove that they can be made low deflection although care needs to be taken when doing so.

I don't know how many or which companies or if ANY of the companies make their own cf shaft blanks. I simply can only speak to what I've been able to source.

 

[Sheldon]

Adding carbon to a maple shaft seems pointless to me. Can anyone explain the advantage of doing this without any unsubstantiated claims?
About the only thing I can think of is that it would make the maple a bit stiffer. Which is the exact reason I dislike most carbon shafts. Way too stiff for my liking.

 

[Jaden]

Adding carbon to a maple shaft seems pointless to me. Can anyone explain the advantage of doing this without any unsubstantiated claims?
About the only thing I can think of is that it would make the maple a bit stiffer. Which is the exact reason I dislike most carbon shafts. Way too stiff for my liking.

Carbon tubing is much stiffer and has higher modulus therefore the tubing walls can be thinner while maintaining sitffness and strength. This allows for having lower endmass while maintaining the same stiffness and strength. Lower end mass equals lower squirt/cueball deflection. Having a wood-wood joint and shaft taper gives the feel of a wooden shaft while the cf tubing at the end lowers end mass while maintaining strength and rigidity and having low deflection.

The other benefits are ease and consistency of construction relative to an entire shaft with taper, made of cf.

 

[Jaden]

Adding carbon to a maple shaft seems pointless to me. Can anyone explain the advantage of doing this without any unsubstantiated claims?
About the only thing I can think of is that it would make the maple a bit stiffer. Which is the exact reason I dislike most carbon shafts. Way too stiff for my liking.

As a core of the shaft, I don't see the benefit aside from higher stiffness to help against warping.

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

Yes, most of the cf shafts out there use chinese blanks that are actually not low deflection and in some cases high deflection. I did just this morning prove that they can be made low deflection although care needs to be taken when doing so.

I don't know how many or which companies or if ANY of the companies make their own cf shaft blanks. I simply can only speak to what I've been able to source.

I assume that the high end CF shafts are probably not made from cheap Chinese CF tubes.

Are those Chinese CF tubes made in different tapers?

I wonder why this tech is so new, if the CF tubes are so cheap, and easy to make.

I just figured that if you are Japanese, then you do not use cheap Chinese CF tubes, lol. Lol, that sounds really dumb, I know.

Mezz surely builds their own tubes though, right? The most expensive CF shaft on the market, other then that Fedor Gorst Whyte Carbon shaft. Those are the 2 shafts that I would really love to try out someday.

 

[Jaden]

I assume that the high end CF shafts are probably not made from cheap Chinese CF tubes.

Are those Chinese CF tubes made in different tapers?

I wonder why this tech is so new, if the CF tubes are so cheap, and easy to make.

I just figured that if you are Japanese, then you do not use cheap Chinese CF tubes, lol. Lol, that sounds really dumb, I know.

Mezz surely builds their own tubes though, right? The most expensive CF shaft on the market, other then that Fedor Gorst Whyte Carbon shaft. Those are the 2 shafts that I would really love to try out someday.

I think you'll find that a lot of the things we think are not cheap chinese knock offs are actually the same companies that are contracted to make the originals. I'm not saying that's the case with cf shaft blanks, but it is the case with many items you might not think are. I think the fact that many of the chinese blanks are higher deflection speak to the likelihood that the major companies that have ld cf shafts likely make their own or contract with other companies to make them though.

 

[Mensabum]

Hi, I assume by Hybrid, you mean the Maple shafts, with the Carbon Core. Like, the Kielwood with Carbon Core Lucasi shafts, for example? They have the feel of wood, but the hit of Carbon Fiber? I imagine they woukd just hit super stiff, like the Mezz Hybrid Pro 2, for example. I hated that shaft.

No. These are half wood and half CF, for want of a better description. Wood base with CF shaft end.

 

[Mensabum]

Carbon tubing is much stiffer and has higher modulus therefore the tubing walls can be thinner while maintaining sitffness and strength. This allows for having lower endmass while maintaining the same stiffness and strength. Lower end mass equals lower squirt/cueball deflection. Having a wood-wood joint and shaft taper gives the feel of a wooden shaft while the cf tubing at the end lowers end mass while maintaining strength and rigidity and having low deflection.

The other benefits are ease and consistency of construction relative to an entire shaft with taper, made of cf.

And they hit damn well.