Curious on what people think on this subject. Cue trade issues

[KenneyTran]

So about 4-5 months ago, I did a cue trade with one of the guy on azbilliard. He sent me an older Tascarella and I sent him a newer version of Tascarella. In my description, my cue was clean and good condition. Of which is true, the cue was good condition. I even had my refinished guy rebuffed it to make sure it’s nice. Apparently the buff compound residue on the cue at the leather n the finish coat. I have pictures below. After the cue traded, the guy complained about the cue, of which I was ok with it, as we traded things n we wanted something nice to have. I did offered to have the cue back for repair by my guy, but it was refused by the trader. I offered to send to proficient or Pete jr to repair, and I even printed out the shipping n return label for him. After careful inspection, he said Pete might charge for repair the wrap n such. But I wasn’t gonna pay for all of that, especially on a trade, and also the cue I got was no where near perfect but his excuse was the cue is an older made by Pete sr. Whatever , I didn’t care cause I love the older Tascarella cue.

So while we talk back and forth, he tried to mess with the cue to repair it himself and I quote from his chat“ I tried to make it look halfway presentable by rolling a razor between the overlapping finish on the leather in order to clean the 1/8 clear coat on the leather. I did a fantastic job. While cleaning the leather up, the cleare coat on the sleeve started flaking off, like a glazed donut does. This tells me the clear coat on the leather was holding everything together. I have never seen anything like this for a repair.” and he made it worse than before. Hence the pictures #4.

So my question is, do I take it back and pay him the price he asked for which “3300$”??

My solution was to pay him 3100$, have the cue back then ship to Scott At proficient or Pete jr to do refinish. I will sell the cue, and then take the profit difference divide that in half to him. To be honest, I would pay 3300$ to clear This whole mess, but i dont know what or how bad the condition of This cue now.

What would yall do? Any advice?

 

[dendweller]

So about 4-5 months ago, I did a cue trade with one of the guy on azbilliard. He sent me an older Tascarella and I sent him a newer version of Tascarella. In my description, my cue was clean and good condition. Of which is true, the cue was good condition. I even had my refinished guy rebuffed it to make sure it’s nice. Apparently the buff compound residue on the cue at the leather n the finish coat. I have pictures below. After the cue traded, the guy complained about the cue, of which I was ok with it, as we traded things n we wanted something nice to have. I did offered to have the cue back for repair by my guy, but it was refused by the trader. I offered to send to proficient or Pete jr to repair, and I even printed out the shipping n return label for him. After careful inspection, he said Pete might charge for repair the wrap n such. But I wasn’t gonna pay for all of that, especially on a trade, and also the cue I got was no where near perfect but his excuse was the cue is an older made by Pete sr. Whatever , I didn’t care cause I love the older Tascarella cue.

So while we talk back and forth, he tried to mess with the cue to repair it himself and I quote from his chat“ I tried to make it look halfway presentable by rolling a razor between the overlapping finish on the leather in order to clean the 1/8 clear coat on the leather. I did a fantastic job. While cleaning the leather up, the cleare coat on the sleeve started flaking off, like a glazed donut does. This tells me the clear coat on the leather was holding everything together. I have never seen anything like this for a repair.” and he made it worse than before. Hence the pictures #4.

So my question is, do I take it back and pay him the price he asked for which “3300$”??

My solution was to pay him 3100$, have the cue back then ship to Scott At proficient or Pete jr to do refinish. I will sell the cue, and then take the profit difference divide that in half to him. To be honest, I would pay 3300$ to clear This whole mess, but i dont know what or how bad the condition of This cue now.

What would yall do? Any advice?

Had you already sold the cue you got from him?

 

[KenneyTran]

Had you already sold the cue you got from him?

No. He wanted to sell it back to me.

 

[dendweller]

No. He wanted to sell it back to me.

Right, but the one you got in trade, do you still have it?

 

[KenneyTran]

Right, but the one you got in trade, do you still have it?

I still do have it.

 

[dendweller]

I still do have it.

wondered why you didn't just offer to trade back. On the other hand, once someone took a razor to the cue and tried to repair, I think they kind of own it. If I did that, I'd assume I did.

 

[KenneyTran]

wondered why you didn't just offer to trade back. On the other hand, once someone took a razor to the cue and tried to repair, I think they kind of own it. If I did that, I'd assume I did.

Cause I also like his cue n want to keep it. I offered to get it repaired but he didn’t take it. Basically he wanted to send to Pete and do refinish to Make it a perfect cue.

 

[Cue Alchemist]

Cause I also like his cue n want to keep it. I offered to get it repaired

Then i would keep the one,you traded, I tend too agree,with dendweller, once someone messes with it. A razor blade no less. A trade is still a trade. You have no obligation, to give his cue back.
I wouldn't touch it, if its been altered like that.

 

[KenneyTran]

Then i would keep the one,you traded, I tend too agree,with dendweller, once someone messes with it. A razor blade no less. A trade is still a trade. You have no obligation, to give his cue back.
I wouldn't touch it if its been altered like that.

Yeah I figured as much, to me cue is cue, I have over 100s from myself and consignment. So having one more or one less isn’t make a different. I tried to help out, but I also don’t like the feeling of being a money cow. I Can have that cue clean up easily, But he wanted a perfect cue but didn’t want to pay for it. Anyhow, thank you for all yall input.

 

[Biloxi Boy]

I like "you broke it -- you bought it", with one caveat. After the deal was made, but before the physical trade accomplished, cue's condition was changed. How was the change communicated to the other guy, and did the other guy accept the change?

 

[KenneyTran]

I like "you broke it -- you bought", with one caveat. After the deal was made, but before the physical trade accomplished, cue's condition was changed. How was the change communicated to the other guy, and did the other guy accept the change?

I like the guy, Infact I just messaged him, asking him to send the cue to anyone he trust that could go to SBE2026, I will be there. I’ll inspect that cue, if not much damage as he mentioned. I will buy it back for the price he asking 3300$. I’m not a nice guy, but that’s the best I can do. Life is too short for This much trouble. With that said, RIP LEON SLY.

 

[Jaden]

So about 4-5 months ago, I did a cue trade with one of the guy on azbilliard. He sent me an older Tascarella and I sent him a newer version of Tascarella. In my description, my cue was clean and good condition. Of which is true, the cue was good condition. I even had my refinished guy rebuffed it to make sure it’s nice. Apparently the buff compound residue on the cue at the leather n the finish coat. I have pictures below. After the cue traded, the guy complained about the cue, of which I was ok with it, as we traded things n we wanted something nice to have. I did offered to have the cue back for repair by my guy, but it was refused by the trader. I offered to send to proficient or Pete jr to repair, and I even printed out the shipping n return label for him. After careful inspection, he said Pete might charge for repair the wrap n such. But I wasn’t gonna pay for all of that, especially on a trade, and also the cue I got was no where near perfect but his excuse was the cue is an older made by Pete sr. Whatever , I didn’t care cause I love the older Tascarella cue.

So while we talk back and forth, he tried to mess with the cue to repair it himself and I quote from his chat“ I tried to make it look halfway presentable by rolling a razor between the overlapping finish on the leather in order to clean the 1/8 clear coat on the leather. I did a fantastic job. While cleaning the leather up, the cleare coat on the sleeve started flaking off, like a glazed donut does. This tells me the clear coat on the leather was holding everything together. I have never seen anything like this for a repair.” and he made it worse than before. Hence the pictures #4.

So my question is, do I take it back and pay him the price he asked for which “3300$”??

My solution was to pay him 3100$, have the cue back then ship to Scott At proficient or Pete jr to do refinish. I will sell the cue, and then take the profit difference divide that in half to him. To be honest, I would pay 3300$ to clear This whole mess, but i dont know what or how bad the condition of This cue now.

What would yall do? Any advice?

Screw that, you break it you buy it. I say as soon as he started messing with it, he owned it, the trade is done.

 

[mr magoo]

Hear we go again, another Jimbos army.
First I want to make it clear that I new I couldn't, and wouldn't even try to return a cue I made modifications to.
Yes the cue is mine, I know that. This in not the points I want to make or why I'm a dissatisfied buyer.
Ken is steering this little story away from his responsibility for his bad mistake he refuses to admit to, or that it even exists. He's tying to make me look like I know nothing about cues or there construction. Trying to paint me as an an idiot. I have been dealing and studying cues and there construction for 40 years.
So let's get it on.
Please zoom in on the first 3 pictures. this is the condition of the cue as I received it. This attempted messy, lumpy finish repair was not described in his for sale post, or in his photos. When i zoom in on his pictures, (in his for sale add) I can't see any clear coat on the leather wrap or the lumpy clear coat repair. Also, in his description of the cue he stated (almost a brand new cue) lol
Ken is trying to save a bad mark on his reputation, I don't blame him for that, but not at my expense.

Please zoom in on the 4th picture. The clear coat does not adhere to the wood. IF THIS IS NORMAL, I AM AN IDEOT.
I would like some educated opinions as to why the clear coat just flakes off like this, please.

I have 20-30 topics I would like to talk about on this fiasko trade and the way i was treated, if this thread keeps going I will definitely tell you my honest side.
Please, ask me any questions about this mess.

 

[KenneyTran]

Hear we go again, another Jimbos army.
First I want to make it clear that I new I couldn't, and wouldn't even try to return a cue I made modifications to.
Yes the cue is mine, I know that. This in not the points I want to make or why I'm a dissatisfied buyer.
Ken is steering this little story away from his responsibility for his bad mistake he refuses to admit to, or that it even exists. He's tying to make me look like I know nothing about cues or there construction. Trying to paint me as an an idiot. I have been dealing and studying cues and there construction for 40 years.
So let's get it on.
Please zoom in on the first 3 pictures. this is the condition of the cue as I received it. This attempted messy, lumpy finish repair was not described in his for sale post, or in his photos. When i zoom in on his pictures, (in his for sale add) I can't see any clear coat on the leather wrap or the lumpy clear coat repair. Also, in his description of the cue he stated (almost a brand new cue) lol
Ken is trying to save a bad mark on his reputation, I don't blame him for that, but not at my expense.

Please zoom in on the 4th picture. The clear coat does not adhere to the wood. IF THIS IS NORMAL, I AM AN IDEOT.
I would like some educated opinions as to why the clear coat just flakes off like this, please.

I have 20-30 topics I would like to talk about on this fiasko trade and the way i was treated, if this thread keeps going I will definitely tell you my honest side.
Please, ask me any questions about this mess.

I tried to ask for the cue back for refinish with my New York guy, because that was his fault, you said no. I did offer you to send to refinish with Pete jr or Scott at proficient and we’ll share the fee, but you said no because they might charge too high.

You might have 40 years in studying and dealing with cues, but for sure, you’re not capable to do the refinish it. Like me, I have experience in construction and have been a General Contractor for 20+ years, but am I qualified to say I’ll build you a house? No I’m not qualified to do it. I might know everything that there is to know about the house. I probably can take over any job in construction but am I qualified no, neither I will do it also because it’s not my job.

I started this posted with one thing in mind, start to finish with no hard feeling. Also, I’m not scared nor hide the fact that This deal was bad. However, my resolution to you as alway, send me the cue to look at. I will pay you 3100$ and 200$ on top after having a cue repair to look at it, and I will only pay you when I see the cue, Just as the amount you asked for. I’m not paying 3300$ and have you further damage the cue. Also you’re the one that messaged me back to say you’re gonna post it for 3850. I helped you to save your time not to post it because no one will buy it for that much damage that you did.

Like I said, my reputation is my bottom line and I’m solid of it. I didn’t mind to repair the cue and issues you complained about. However, you wanted to send to Pete Tascarella to do refinish and wanted to be a perfect cue when your cue sent to me is no where perfect. I’m not a money cow, that you squeeze out of me because I’m a nice guy.

You went on your own to fix it yourself, the cue is yours now. I’m not gonna deal with This Anymore, if you have anything to say I would love to hear it. The cue I sent you the condition was good and play great. Even you admitted it, you wanted a 1in ferrule shaft, I had to took it off my buddy hand and sent to you. Again, I might have call you “nickpicking” but it’s true. The cue is great condition and some small detail that might not even noticeable if you don’t put it under bright light and look at it carefully. I told you, just play with it, til you ready to refinish the cue and let me know, I will definitely have them done and we’ll split the fee. However, you had your own idea. Therefore, that’s how the cue turn out now. Look at the first two pictures and the last. It’s a totally day and night.

 

[GoldCrown]

I told you, just play with it, til you ready to refinish the cue and let me know, I will definitely have them done and we’ll split the fee.

Fair enough.... more than fair enough. He should he returned it a soon as he got it if not happy with it.