Inside and outside English

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ShipwreckSteve

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Was having a conversation with a couple of friends after one hit a kick shot from long rail to the corner pocket. He put right hand English on the shot, shortened up the angle and made the 3 ball, and he referred to it as “inside English” and I said no that’s outside English. I was always told that inside or outside English (when kicking into a rail) refers to relationship of where you’re aiming the cue ball and essentially we will say the nearest pocket that you’re shooting into. We all kind of went back and forth, in circles about inside/outside or running/check side and object balls etc., and unfortunately we could not anything definitive as to definitions etc. could any of you provide any sort of insight to this argument?
 
ShipwreckSteve said:
Was having a conversation with a couple of friends after one hit a kick shot from long rail to the corner pocket. He put right hand English on the shot, shortened up the angle and made the 3 ball, and he referred to it as “inside English” and I said no that’s outside English. I was always told that inside or outside English (when kicking into a rail) refers to relationship of where you’re aiming the cue ball and essentially we will say the nearest pocket that you’re shooting into. We all kind of went back and forth, in circles about inside/outside or running/check side and object balls etc., and unfortunately we could not anything definitive as to definitions etc. could any of you provide any sort of insight to this argument?
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If he shortened the angle, then it's inside english
 
IMO the terminology is:
If Kicking the CB to a cushion its called a number of things, running, reverse, natural...

If sending a CB to an OB is when we mention Inside and Outside English.

If hitting an OB on its left side, left hand English would be called Outside. If attempting the same shot with Right Hand spin, its called Inside.

At least that's how I've always thought.
 
3kushn said:
IMO the terminology is:
If Kicking the CB to a cushion its called a number of things, running, reverse, natural...

If sending a CB to an OB is when we mention Inside and Outside English.

If hitting an OB on its left side, left hand English would be called Outside. If attempting the same shot with Right Hand spin, its called Inside.

At least that's how I've always thought.
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Correct. It all depends on the shot and the direction you are going. If you try to shoot a three rail kick going to your left then left spin would be inside/natural. Pocketing balls is different, if cutting a ball to your left then right spin would be outside and left spin inside.
 
ShipwreckSteve said:
Was having a conversation with a couple of friends after one hit a kick shot from long rail to the corner pocket. He put right hand English on the shot, shortened up the angle and made the 3 ball, and he referred to it as “inside English” and I said no that’s outside English. I was always told that inside or outside English (when kicking into a rail) refers to relationship of where you’re aiming the cue ball and essentially we will say the nearest pocket that you’re shooting into. We all kind of went back and forth, in circles about inside/outside or running/check side and object balls etc., and unfortunately we could not anything definitive as to definitions etc. could any of you provide any sort of insight to this argument?
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I’d have to see the diagram. I guess I don’t bother with inside/outside on a kick shot, but some cushion first shots are pretty obvious what inside/outside are in relation to the cushion not the pocket.
 
garczar said:
Not on a kick shot. Say you're kicking going to your left off the side rail. In this case inside(left) spin is natural/running and will widen the angle.
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His thinking was with contact with an object ball, inside English will “shorten” the rebound angle, so therefore since his kick was shortened, it was inside English. Which is false.
 
Cornerman said:
I’d have to see the diagram. I guess I don’t bother with inside/outside on a kick shot, but some cushion first shots are pretty obvious what inside/outside are in relation to the cushion not the pocket.
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Forgive my crude drawing but this was essentially the kick shot (minus all of the other balls on the table)
 

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His thinking was with contact with an object ball, inside English will “shorten” the rebound angle, so therefore since his kick was shortened, it was inside English. Which is false.
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What you told him was correct. When kicking inside/running is in the direction you're going, outside/reverse is the opposite and will shorten the rebound angle.
 
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Here’s what I say. Draw a line from the cueball to the object ball. If your tip and the target pocket are on the same side of that line, it’s inside english. If the tip and pocket are on opposite sides of that line, it’s outside english.

Depending on the cueball trajectory to the rail, inside english can be running spin (widening the angle) or it can be check spin (shortening the angle).
 
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