Inside and outside English

[Patrick Johnson]

Left hand english on this shot would be inside English and it would be running (widening) English
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Yes - inside on the OB, outside on the rail.

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[MattPoland]

Yes - inside on the OB, outside on the rail.

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I only use running vs check to describe the rail action. No need to use the same term for two different phenomenon when other already accepted terms already exist. Otherwise we’re back to the kind of unhelpful equivocation we get with cueball vs shaft deflection. I exclusively use the term “outside” to mean the same as “gearing” for the object ball contact.

 

[garczar]

Yes - inside on the OB, outside on the rail.

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Huh? Its inside english, the ball is going to his left around the table so left is running/natural. Never heard it called 'outside on the rail', EVER.

 

[garczar]

I only use running vs check to describe the rail action. No need to use the same term for two different phenomenon when other already accepted terms already exist. Otherwise we’re back to the kind of unhelpful equivocation we get with cueball vs shaft deflection. I exclusively use the term “outside” to mean the same as “gearing” for the object ball contact.

Agree 10000%. That 'outside on the rail' is a term i've never heard or seen in print. He's always gotta be Joe Pedant, Doctor of Pool.

 

[maha]

to the rail or ball you are aiming first to hit, inside is towards it outside is away from it.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

No need to use the same term for two different phenomenon

That's actually why I like my way - it reflects the similarity of the CB effects: inside slows/shortens the CB; outside speeds/lengthens it.

pj
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[Patrick Johnson]

to the rail or ball you are aiming first to hit, inside is towards it outside is away from it.

Yes, and I extend that definition to every contact in the shot.

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[MattPoland]

That's actually why I like my way - it reflects the similarity of the CB effects: inside slows/shortens the CB; outside speeds/lengthens it.

pj
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Sounds like we each understand where the other is coming from. That’s sufficient for me.

 

[maha]

nothing to do with effects just the way you hit it.

as if you are hitting an object ball and going to the long cushion say to the right, left english is inside as you are aiming inside and the cue ball goes and hits the side cushion and goes around left the table 3 rails faster than if you hit outside it wouldn't likely go around at all.

if you moved the cueball over and went the other way around the table you would use outside.

inside and outside are clear when aiming the shot. what the ball does, starting to call gearing or whatever is beyond what the simple definition of english is.

it is left or right english and becomes inside or outside depending on what you are first aiming at. not what the ball does or goes.

 

[Jaden]

Was having a conversation with a couple of friends after one hit a kick shot from long rail to the corner pocket. He put right hand English on the shot, shortened up the angle and made the 3 ball, and he referred to it as “inside English” and I said no that’s outside English. I was always told that inside or outside English (when kicking into a rail) refers to relationship of where you’re aiming the cue ball and essentially we will say the nearest pocket that you’re shooting into. We all kind of went back and forth, in circles about inside/outside or running/check side and object balls etc., and unfortunately we could not anything definitive as to definitions etc. could any of you provide any sort of insight to this argument?

Well, when you're talking about applying side spin for an object ball, it will be the reverse of the spin you're putting on the cb. So right spin would impart some left spin on the ob and left spin would impart right spin on the object ball. Inside becomes outside, and outside inside.

 

[maha]

yes but most times its negligible. but mostly used on shortening or lengthening banks.

you do have to consider it on shots like combos and kisses.

 

[Jaden]

yes but most times its negligible. but mostly used on shortening or lengthening banks.

you do have to consider it on shots like combos and kisses.

Yep but to play higher level one hole, understanding and being able to apply it is essential. It's used to get the CB out of the way of the path and both shorten or lengthen both the bank angle and the CB tangent path.

 

[Bob Jewett]

An interesting exercise:

Draw out useful shots that you might play in a game that include one from each category below. How many different shots can you think of? As an example, the break shot at one pocket is follow-inside-reverse,

The spin is what the cue ball has when it gets to the object ball or cushion. You can start a cue ball with draw and it can arrive with follow.

top/bottom -- follow - stun - draw
side spin on OB -- inside - none - outside
side spin on cushion -- running - none - reverse (side spin when shooting straight into a cushion will be considered running)

(In the UK, they use different words.)

If the CB hits more than one cushion, what is the spin on each cushion? Have you ever played a reverse-reverse-running shot? A typical 3-cushion kick is running-running-running.