cue/shaft orientation as you shoot, facing one way every single time!

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TL;DR: IS POSTED AT THE END (For people who don't want to read long posts).

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Pool is a game of consistency, repetitiveness, and timing. Honestly no matter how much you aim or focus, ultimately it's all about you repeating yourself in every possible way, in terms of timing, eye coordination going back and forth the same way every single time! If your eyes or hands did one little thing new, you'd miss a shot very easily. That's why it's best to do the same shot routine & same strokes before shooting, doesn't matter if it's a hard shot or an easy shot.

One thing I feel would add to that consistency is your cue, to add a cheery on the top, which is the main topic of this thread is, how would you orient your cue while playing, 99% of the people, including myself would say "oh I don't care how the cue is oriented, i just shoot." Well, I do too, but the past few weeks I've been thinking about it.

Some disadvantage to this tho is you have to look into your cue every single time to see a mark or something where you would face that mark up or down depending on your own orientation that you're used it, but I feel if you get used to one orientation, it's possible that it will benefit your game ever so slightly, because you'd have the exact same feel every single time. And yes I know maybe I am overexaggarating on this, but I think there's something into it.

Another disadvantage I also think is that the TIP shape, there's a good chance that if you shoot with a cue facing up every single time, maybe the tip will deform, or rather maybe lose its shape and wont be even, the shape would wear in a non-uniform way.

I know snooker players do it a 100%, this is a fact coming from some pro players, I've seen one time Berry speaks about it, it is said that most snooker players have their cue butt non-rounded, which means they have one flat side, one round side and it is for a reason. That reason is this topic exactly, these pros keep that flat side on the top while the rounded side on bottom, they get used to holding the cue like that and with this comes the cue orientation naturally. While in pool we use rounded butts all the time, but this still can be achievable if you mark the tip or mark the shaft.

Pool "Case study" which I noticed myself years ago, and haven't gave it another thought until today. Earl the Pearl Strickland, I think he had times in his prime where he oriented the cue a certain way every single time, you can clearly see him looking at his shaft after each shot if he chalks to see that DOT or Mark facing up. And if he doesn't chalk and doesn't move his butt, then he'll just be on his 2 stroke shot rhythm/timing and keep that cue facing the same way, here i''ll show some examples and please note him tilting his head down to the start of his shaft to perhaps find the mark and leaving it upward then proceed to shoot.

Earl checking his shaft after each shot to align it facing up,
Here ill give you the exact time/second so you dont have to watch the whole video "but he does this almost every shot",

That said, I think later in his career Earl Strickland stopped doing that, he doesn't look at his shaft anymore, probably from 1995+, maybe he developed a way of telling orientation by just holding the cue? I don't know.


I think there's something to this, and I am actually going to try it, but I'm worried about the tip wearing in a non-uniform way. I'll follow the advice of Barry on this here,


TL;DR

Having your cue facing the same way can be an advantage as I've seen some players do it and speak of it, snookers players does it using the flat side of their butts. I also noticed Earl Strickland does it. There are also disadvantages to this, such as tip shape, but Berry a snooker legend, says its good to have it deshape to where you shoot from the same orientation everytime!

Check the vids above proof of Earl doing it, also check Berry vid where he talks about it!
 
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you will find this, with experience, some shafts just hit really nice, even if they have a slight roll, to one side, This how you can learn to shoot with any cue, roll it and mark it. for example: a cue with a lot of taper roll, it helps if you know the straightest part of that cue, stating the obvious, but not all cues are straight. If you can use the same part of the shaft each time its just easier, to read what the shafts doing.

Snooker players do it, because of the piece thats bevelled out. Like the old mace cues. You tend to always grip it in the same spot. Some will also use the arrows or chevrons on an ash shaft for aiming. another reason why you would want it in the same place.

Anything where you can repeat the process, is no bad thing.
 
TL;DR: IS POSTED AT THE END (For people who don't want to read long posts).

I looked this one up and searched for it. I haven't seen a post or anything about it, and I was very interested in this topic, so I made this post.

Pool is a game of consistency, repetitiveness, and timing. Honestly no matter how much you aim or focus, ultimately it's all about you repeating yourself in every possible way, in terms of timing, eye coordination going back and forth the same way every single time! If your eyes or hands did one little thing new, you'd miss a shot very easily. That's why it's best to do the same shot routine & same strokes before shooting, doesn't matter if it's a hard shot or an easy shot.

One thing I feel would add to that consistency is your cue, to add a cheery on the top, which is the main topic of this thread is, how would you orient your cue while playing, 99% of the people, including myself would say "oh I don't care how the cue is oriented, i just shoot." Well, I do too, but the past few weeks I've been thinking about it.

Some disadvantage to this tho is you have to look into your cue every single time to see a mark or something where you would face that mark up or down depending on your own orientation that you're used it, but I feel if you get used to one orientation, it's possible that it will benefit your game ever so slightly, because you'd have the exact same feel every single time. And yes I know maybe I am overexaggarating on this, but I think there's something into it.

Another disadvantage I also think is that the TIP shape, there's a good chance that if you shoot with a cue facing up every single time, maybe the tip will deform, or rather maybe lose its shape and wont be even, the shape would wear in a non-uniform way.

I know snooker players do it a 100%, this is a fact coming from some pro players, I've seen one time Berry speaks about it, it is said that most snooker players have their cue butt non-rounded, which means they have one flat side, one round side and it is for a reason. That reason is this topic exactly, these pros keep that flat side on the top while the rounded side on bottom, they get used to holding the cue like that and with this comes the cue orientation naturally. While in pool we use rounded butts all the time, but this still can be achievable if you mark the tip or mark the shaft.

Pool "Case study" which I noticed myself years ago, and haven't gave it another thought until today. Earl the Pearl Strickland, I think he had times in his prime where he oriented the cue a certain way every single time, you can clearly see him looking at his shaft after each shot if he chalks to see that DOT or Mark facing up. And if he doesn't chalk and doesn't move his butt, then he'll just be on his 2 stroke shot rhythm/timing and keep that cue facing the same way, here i''ll show some examples and please note him tilting his head down to the start of his shaft to perhaps find the mark and leaving it upward then proceed to shoot.

Earl checking his shaft after each shot to align it facing up,
Here ill give you the exact time/second so you dont have to watch the whole video "but he does this almost every shot",

That said, I think later in his career Earl Strickland stopped doing that, he doesn't look at his shaft anymore, probably from 1995+, maybe he developed a way of telling orientation by just holding the cue? I don't know.


I think there's something to this, and I am actually going to try it, but I'm worried about the tip wearing in a non-uniform way. I'll follow the advice of Barry on this here,


TL;DR

Having your cue facing the same way can be an advantage as I've seen some players do it and speak of it, snookers players does it using the flat side of their butts. I also noticed Earl Strickland does it. There are also disadvantages to this, such as tip shape, but Berry a snooker legend, says its good to have it deshape to where you shoot from the same orientation everytime!

Check the vids above proof of Earl doing it, also check Berry vid where he talks about it!
Idk if it's been mentioned on here yet, but wood shafts have a spine, which play a bit diff than other orientations of the shaft. Find the spine and keep it up or down or perpendicular depending on which hit you prefer. I try to keep mine up as the shaft has a more solid hit this way. Imo.
 
About 8-10 years ago I bought a signed shaft that Earl used back in the day from Diane Hoppe. When I first looked at it, I was pretty amazed because it looked like it'd been through hell. Best I could tell is it had been sanded down a LOT in an attempt to re-taper it.
Fall of 2020 SVB had a little Pro-Am event in Tea, SD. He got Earl, Billy and Corey to come to it. I sat with Earl for over an hour between rounds and at one point I asked him about the shaft. He laughed a little and said those shafts were almost "unplayable". He used to sit in his hotel room with sandpaper and work them over for hours. He sanded through to the wood on most of the one I have., but it's mostly on one side of the shaft. I don't know if the coating was uneven or he was just that far off on the sanding. Who knows, maybe this is the shaft from that video and he was rotating to one side, so he didn't get splinters in his bridge hand....lol
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About 8-10 years ago I bought a signed shaft that Earl used back in the day from Diane Hoppe. When I first looked at it, I was pretty amazed because it looked like it'd been through hell. Best I could tell is it had been sanded down a LOT in an attempt to re-taper it.
Fall of 2020 SVB had a little Pro-Am event in Tea, SD. He got Earl, Billy and Corey to come to it. I sat with Earl for over an hour between rounds and at one point I asked him about the shaft. He laughed a little and said those shafts were almost "unplayable". He used to sit in his hotel room with sandpaper and work them over for hours. He sanded through to the wood on most of the one I have., but it's mostly on one side of the shaft. I don't know if the coating was uneven or he was just that far off on the sanding. Who knows, maybe this is the shaft from that video and he was rotating to one side, so he didn't get splinters in his bridge hand....lol
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Thanks for sharing this!

I did not know that Earl was using an S.S.T fiberglass shaft from cuetec, I've always thought that Cuetec gave him the White cue (the one in the videos above) with a custom wood made shaft from cuetec, I really didn't know that he used their regular sst shaft back in the days, but now I understand from your story that he also sanded those shaft down to remove the fiberglass haha, thats a true thing Earl would do....

But him saying that the shaft is unplayable is over exxagarating thing to say on his part there becuase lets face it, he won more tournament with that white cue than any other cue he used, and not because he used it during his prime which I believe he did, but he played his best game with that white shaft and if he used the SST fiberglass back in the days, then it must be a good shaft...look how he plays with it.

But yes, maybe you're right, I noted that Earl always look down on the shaft before he shoots which is what interest me in this topic in the first place...if you see the videos, he always look down on the shaft then go down to shoot....he probably is making sure that the S.S.T logo is at the top because of the sandpaper that he done on the shaft, maybe? I am not sure, i just hope that if someone know or see Earl somewhere, ask him this question...i'm curious to hear the answer
 
A lot of people do this without thought, especially with maple shafts. There's a 'grain sweet spot' aka the spine and if the shaft isn't oriented correctly the shaft doesn't play/feel/vibrate the same. On laminated or cf shafts this is of no concern due to lack of defined spine. Predator coined the term 'radial consistency' to describe this. The dot on the red dot Meucci shaft is aligned with the grain so you have a clear reference point.
 
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This was one of the ideas behind the dot shafts that Meucci put out. From what I remember, they put the dot there at the "sweet spot" to align the shaft the same way each time.

I think in theory it has merits, but in practice it's probably like those copper bracelets that are sold as "health products" because copper in labs does kill some bacteria. However, in reality, wearing a small copper band is not doing anything for you.
 
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I looked this one up and searched for it. I haven't seen a post or anything about it, and I was very interested in this topic, so I made this post.
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This has been discussed here multiple times over the last 20 years but I can't think of a good way to search for it.

I marked my shaft and used a single orientation for years. The tip did not get deformed. I have no idea whether it helped my play. I rotated the cue automatically, so it was no conscious effort.
 
About 8-10 years ago I bought a signed shaft that Earl used back in the day from Diane Hoppe. When I first looked at it, I was pretty amazed because it looked like it'd been through hell. Best I could tell is it had been sanded down a LOT in an attempt to re-taper it.
Fall of 2020 SVB had a little Pro-Am event in Tea, SD. He got Earl, Billy and Corey to come to it. I sat with Earl for over an hour between rounds and at one point I asked him about the shaft. He laughed a little and said those shafts were almost "unplayable". He used to sit in his hotel room with sandpaper and work them over for hours. He sanded through to the wood on most of the one I have., but it's mostly on one side of the shaft. I don't know if the coating was uneven or he was just that far off on the sanding. Who knows, maybe this is the shaft from that video and he was rotating to one side, so he didn't get splinters in his bridge hand....lol
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He sanded the stupid fiberglass wrap off it. I had an SST Cuetec shaft and it would be very tacky at times.
 
I was thinking about this SST cuetec shaft and the story again, I really enjoyed it but I gave it another thought. I think during the videos I posted which was in 1990 and 1991, at that time I don't think there was an SST Shaft. If I remember correctly these shafts came out much later maybe 1998+? Someone can correct me on this but I owned multiple cuetecs back in the day, the shafts were fiberglass and looks the exact same but they did not have an SST logo in them. Some of the ones I owned were thinner than others, some were 13mm thick shafts. I still remember one of the best cuetec fiberglass shafts I've owned was a thinner fiberglass shaft with shorter ferrule somehow I played really good with that shaft. And it did not have an SST logo.

Just to reference the story teller above about Earls shaft, maybe it was his shaft later on when he owned the black cuetec shaft, but not from the Early 1990's to 1995, because back in those days he had a cuetec shaft without a SST logo.
 
I was thinking about this SST cuetec shaft and the story again, I really enjoyed it but I gave it another thought. I think during the videos I posted which was in 1990 and 1991, at that time I don't think there was an SST Shaft. If I remember correctly these shafts came out much later maybe 1998+? Someone can correct me on this but I owned multiple cuetecs back in the day, the shafts were fiberglass and looks the exact same but they did not have an SST logo in them. Some of the ones I owned were thinner than others, some were 13mm thick shafts. I still remember one of the best cuetec fiberglass shafts I've owned was a thinner fiberglass shaft with shorter ferrule somehow I played really good with that shaft. And it did not have an SST logo.

Just to reference the story teller above about Earls shaft, maybe it was his shaft later on when he owned the black cuetec shaft, but not from the Early 1990's to 1995, because back in those days he had a cuetec shaft without a SST logo.
I think your right, that shaft with the silver ring, fits the line of cue he as using from 1999 and still using those in 2002 when he beat bustamente in the final, of the worlds, the two black cues with the glitter points and diamonds in the butt, black grip. He used the other one to break with.
 
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