(Un)Popular Opinion on Fargo Rate
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Coos Cues
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You don't like the backwards ball caps?
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You got that right. People who used to believe in their delusional minds that they were better than me that I would gamble with won't bet that water is wet now that they learned my Fargo is 100 points higher than theirs.
On the other hand there are people I used to fear that now are 50 points lower than me in reality. We used to settle everything on the table. It's a major psyop.
In the US at least, pool will be blue-collar and no-collar for a really long time, regardless of rating systems or anything else.
He went from 814 (#31) to 830 (#16) in the last year. That's a big jump.
i dont have a fargo so you have to make a game and match up with me. thats the way it always was and made poolrooms fun.
now with fargo it is easy to know if you have any brains, whether you will win or not. as fargo is deadly accurate for that.
and wonderful for tournaments and leagues which is what it was designed for.
more tournaments need caps or spots to make players close to even . not make it so the better players still take down the money.
sure for 20 dollar entry many will play just to play. but get the entry high and you shut out all the dead money as they can see they have no chance. and never had one before fargo. so use it to handicap tournaments so they are truly fair. and let the top tier cry all they want.
now with fargo it is easy to know if you have any brains, whether you will win or not. as fargo is deadly accurate for that.
and wonderful for tournaments and leagues which is what it was designed for.
more tournaments need caps or spots to make players close to even . not make it so the better players still take down the money.
sure for 20 dollar entry many will play just to play. but get the entry high and you shut out all the dead money as they can see they have no chance. and never had one before fargo. so use it to handicap tournaments so they are truly fair. and let the top tier cry all they want.
Some who play in Fargo handicapped trnmnts realize they are often far from "fair".
No FR and I play in my first Fargo trnmnt at ....Fargo Billiards. I am with Dsnny Olson and Mike knows I am looking for a 1pkt game so he gives me a 526 FR. The top bracket starts at 525.
I know Mike is just protecting his people so I just grin and bear it. I believe i was the lowest FR by at least 50 points , and in the case of Danny 200 FR points. I went from being a top player in 525 and under to a dead money
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No FR and I play in my first Fargo trnmnt at ....Fargo Billiards. I am with Dsnny Olson and Mike knows I am looking for a 1pkt game so he gives me a 526 FR. The top bracket starts at 525.
I know Mike is just protecting his people so I just grin and bear it. I believe i was the lowest FR by at least 50 points , and in the case of Danny 200 FR points. I went from being a top player in 525 and under to a dead money
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you would take FSR or SVB over yapp to win the next tournament? madness.
I can understand disagreement. But "madness?"
I'd happily do even money taking FSR or SVB over Yapp to win the next tournament that both (FSR-Yapp and/or SVB-Yapp) are playing in. I mean, it's probably 52-48 or some small such advantage for either of the initials folks, but an edge is an edge.
Coos Cues
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In our recent BCA regional event the "elite" bracket included every entry with a fargo rating 600 and up. There were 52 entrants. I didn't try to find the average fargo for the field but I can assure that we have a lot of very sporty players in the mid to upper 600s who played.
The event was won by a legit 606 with a lot of robustness who has been around a long time.
Fargo probably would have given him less than 1/10th of one percent chance to win the event using their math, systems and algorithms. Probably close to zero within the margin of error. But he won it. By winning 8 matches he was the dog in all but one. Many of them a huge dog.
With over 4k robustness he's now a 611. Still lower than almost every single opponent in that event.
Here are the actual results entered into the Fargo calculator.
So I don't buy that it is deadly accurate predicting winners and this was a two day event not a single match.
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I'm a long ways from top tier these days but anything I compete at, including pool, I expect to start in the top tier if I am unknown. Nothing pisses competitors off worse than an unknown coming in and robbing the place! I did when I hadn't been competing for a year or two with pistols. Came to one of the last matches of the season and watched the young guns grabbing the clip board and checking each other's scores the whole match. Then the winner was announced, "First place Hu." "Hu, who the 'hell' is Hu?" There was a big hubbub and checking of the numbers for each stage! Age and cunning had beaten youth and skill.
The day tournaments become truly even is the day they become gambling instead of competition. They will deserve to be outlawed where gambling is illegal. If both players play at the same percentage of their best game, say 90% just to have a number, the better player should win. If the lesser player plays at 95% of their best game and the better player plays at 85%-90% of their best game, the lesser player should win with tight handicapping.
Handicapping to favor the weaker player gives no incentive to practice or try to improve. A shooting range I went to had excellent weekly competitions. The flaw was that they had four classes. C,B,A, and Master Class. What this did was create three classes that included sandbaggers and an open division. With all of a shooter's matches included in their classification when a sandbagger was in danger of breaking into a higher class they could super sandbag a match now and then, claim a gun malfunction, and stay in a lower class. We had an end of the year championship each season. A class had some of the worst sandbaggers dodging the open Master Class. One year the top five overall scores were by A class shooters!
In most cases fargo seems as fair a way as any to put together a fair event. One issue, there should be separate ratings for rotation and one pocket. Too much difference in styles and strengths.
Some who play in Fargo handicapped trnmnts realize they are often far from "fair".
No FR and I play in my first Fargo trnmnt at ....Fargo Billiards. I am with Dsnny Olson and Mike knows I am looking for a 1pkt game so he gives me a 526 FR. The top bracket starts at 525.
I know Mike is just protecting his people so I just grin and bear it. I believe i was the lowest FR by at least 50 points , and in the case of Danny 200 FR points. I went from being a top player in 525 and under to a dead money
I think Mike was fair for several reasons. Yes, he protected his weaker players from an unknown sneaking in. But he also put you on the borderline so if you did prove to deserve to be in the 525 under class you would quickly move there the next time your fargo rating was adjusted. Had he put you in at 600+ then you would have been screwed long term. The company you were in and the one pocket red flag were indications to be cautious too.
My personal opinion is that the only fair form of competition is open class, run what you brung! I have never seen a truly fair way to break down competitors by skill. I have never whined about competing against much better people or equipment. With rifles there were sidepots, optional to get in. When I first started I was donating to get in the sidepots but I didn't want people to complain when I got better. Sure enough, when it was my day to sing, I took first place in both divisions. The man handing me the money apologized because somebody else earned small group money!
Hu
I play in that tournament every year and I know many of the players. One tournament doesn't define a handicap. And if you run that event bracket twice no way that guys wins again. Stuff happens
Coos Cues
Coos Cues
Tell me if you thought it was possible before the event that Eric were going to win? I didn't.
So why is there no way he wins it again?
Besides my point was to point out that fargo although a good indicator of skill over time is not "deadly accurate" to predict who will win.
So how have you done up there? I've been there lots with only a little success as far as results go. But probably more success than most. It's a tough row to hoe.
You do understand what an average is don't you?
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Of course I do which if you follow the bouncing ball wasn't relevant to what I was saying. Context my man, context!
I prefer a thrown stick to a bouncing ballOf course I do which if you follow the bouncing ball wasn't relevant to what I was saying. Context my man, context!
In the long run, Fargo is deadly accurate, but for 1 event....
As it happened people around the room, and someone on the mic were commenting about how there were 2 "low" skill level players in the final. It was a rare occation. I'm pretty sure if we look back on who has won it wouldn't be a 601 rated player. I believe Chad won last year. I don't know Eric, but I think it is safe to say he had the tournament of his life. Also he was fortunate that Chad, Victor and Alex had to play each other in the first few rounds. I've been very bad and pretty good. Last event was pretty good. Played well in Scotch, Singles and Teams. Added 10 pts to my fargo and I have 1000 robustness.
Edit: just looked up last year, Damian beat Chad in the finals. Double dipped. Ouch.
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My FR is higher then 525 and what Mike did was correct. My point is how much difference there often is within the different levels/flights in tournaments.
Coos Cues
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Eric beat Victor 6-4 in the third place match after losing the chair. He didn't dodge him.As it happened people around the room, and someone on the mic were commenting about how there were 2 "low" skill level players in the final. It was a rare occation. I'm pretty sure if we look back on who has won it wouldn't be a 601 rated player. I believe Chad won last year. I don't know Eric, but I think it is safe to say he had the tournament of his life. Also he was fortunate that Chad, Victor and Alex had to play each other in the first few rounds. I've been very bad and pretty good. Last event was pretty good. Played well in Scotch, Singles and Teams. Added 10 pts to my fargo and I have 1000 robustness.
Edit: just looked up last year, Damian beat Chad in the finals. Double dipped. Ouch.
This was the first year players from 600 to 625 were pushed to the elite. Last year they would have been in the platinum but the idea I think was to increase the size of the field in the elite. So last year both the finalists wouldn't even have been in the elite division unless they decided to "play up". It was pretty interesting actually the way it played out but also most of the really heavy hitters weren't there. Randy Baker may have had the highest fargo in the event.
he played to a 714 against 600 players and won. his fargo rating was lower than them but he played much higher, so the higher playing player won just as forgo would predict.
if he played to his rating he would not likely finished in the list.
why or how he played way over his rating needs to be determined.
if he played to his rating he would not likely finished in the list.
why or how he played way over his rating needs to be determined.