Chalk - Is This A Foul?

[DrCue'sProtege]

Let's say you are breaking a rack of 9-Ball. And that there is a piece of chalk sitting on the edge of the cushion. Right on the very edge. So you break and a ball knocks the piece of chalk off the table onto the floor.

Since you were the breaker and a ball hit the piece of chalk on your break - is that a foul?

r/DCP

 

[straightline]

Nit dependent.

 

[GideonF]

Let's say you are breaking a rack of 9-Ball. And that there is a piece of chalk sitting on the edge of the cushion. Right on the very edge. So you break and a ball knocks the piece of chalk off the table onto the floor.

Since you were the breaker and a ball hit the piece of chalk on your break - is that a foul?

r/DCP

If the ball hit the chalk, it’s a foul. If the chalk bounced off the rail due to the cushion compression, no foul.

3.6 TOUCHED BALL
It is a foul to touch, move or change the path of any object-ball except by the normal ball-to- ball contacts during shots. It is a foul to touch, move or change the path of the cue-ball except when it is in hand or by the normal tip-to-ball forward stroke contact of a shot.
The shooter is responsible for the equipment he controls at the table, such as chalk, bridges, clothing, his hair, parts of his body, and the cue-ball when it is in hand, that may be involved in such fouls. If such a foul is accidental, it is a standard foul, but if it is intentional, it is 3.16 Unsportsmanlike Conduct

 

[skor]

if it touched the chalk - foul
if the chalk just bounced off as the cushion compressed - not a foul
you'll need to be sure beyond doubt what happened, otherwise the benefit of the doubt goes to the shooter
if it bounced into the bed of the table and hit a ball - foul, if did not hit a ball - not a foul

btw, if you leave the rack template on the rail and it sticks out into the table and a ball hit it while hitting a rail, it's also a foul

 

[straightline]

Since jurisdiction was not specified I'd add you can match up according or discording to the rule. As in CB fouls only etc...

Regardless of the severity of interference you might have an option situation where the inning could be passed or taken away etc...

 

[Mensabum]

Let's say you are breaking a rack of 9-Ball. And that there is a piece of chalk sitting on the edge of the cushion. Right on the very edge. So you break and a ball knocks the piece of chalk off the table onto the floor.

Since you were the breaker and a ball hit the piece of chalk on your break - is that a foul?

r/DCP

I'd say no. Wouldn't that be ball to ball contact on shot??
Therefore no foul??

 

[fastone371]

If the ball hit the chalk, it’s a foul. If the chalk bounced off the rail due to the cushion compression, no foul.

3.6 TOUCHED BALL
It is a foul to touch, move or change the path of any object-ball except by the normal ball-to- ball contacts during shots. It is a foul to touch, move or change the path of the cue-ball except when it is in hand or by the normal tip-to-ball forward stroke contact of a shot.
The shooter is responsible for the equipment he controls at the table, such as chalk, bridges, clothing, his hair, parts of his body, and the cue-ball when it is in hand, that may be involved in such fouls. If such a foul is accidental, it is a standard foul, but if it is intentional, it is 3.16 Unsportsmanlike Conduct

But what happens if the cue ball or an object ball gets on top of the rail and hits a piece of chalk? The ball on top of the rail by itself shouldnt be a foul, I think most of us has seen that happen before.

 

[Bob Jewett]

But what happens if the cue ball or an object ball gets on top of the rail and hits a piece of chalk? The ball on top of the rail by itself shouldnt be a foul, I think most of us has seen that happen before.

Foul. If it's your opponent's chalk, I guess you could have an earnest discussion about who the foul was on.

 

[GideonF]

Foul. If it's your opponent's chalk, I guess you could have an earnest discussion about who the foul was on.

I would argue the foul is still on the shooter as the rules don’t specify who’s chalk:

“2.6 DRIVEN OFF THE TABLE
A ball is considered driven off the table if it comes to rest other than on the playing
surface but is not pocketed. A ball is also considered driven off the table if it would have been driven off the table except for striking an object such as a light fixture, piece of chalk or a player which causes it to return to the table.
A ball that contacts the top of the rail is not considered to have been driven off the table if it returns to the playing surface or enters a pocket.”

For what it’s worth, the BCA Pool League/ CSI rules have an applied ruling that makes it clear that the foul is on the shooter regardless of who owns the chalk (see 4 below) - different then their rule with regard to extensions etc as in 3 below.

“3. Situation: Player A, preparing to shoot a jump shot, unscrews the extended butt from
their jump-break cue and places it in a pocket. They then forget that the butt is in the pocket and leave it there after their inning. Player B shoots and a ball (a) rebounds from the pocket; (b) is pocketed despite the presence of the butt.
Ruling: (a) foul on Player A; (b) The result of the shot stands and the game continues.
Discussion: With the exception of chalk left on the rail, if equipment used by a
player and left at the table directly interferes with their opponent’s shot, it is a
foul on the player that left the equipment. If a player leaves equipment at the
table and it is discovered before it interferes with the game, or if it interacts with the balls during a shot without causing a disadvantage to the opponent, it
shall be removed without penalty, but a warning may be issued.

4. Situation: Player A shoots and a ball leaves the bed of the table, strikes a piece of Player B's personal chalk that they left on the rail, and falls back on the bed of the table.

Ruling: Foul.

Discussion: Personal chalk left on a rail is an exception to the responsibility
principle of Rule 1-3-1 as applied in Situation 3 above. Personal chalk is
considered a hazard for the shooter regardless of ownership.”

 

[Bob Jewett]

... For what it’s worth, the BCA Pool League/ CSI rules have an applied ruling that makes it clear that the foul is on the shooter regardless of who owns the chalk (see 4 below) - different then their rule with regard to extensions etc as in 3 below. ....

So, if there is forgotten chalk on the table, and there is a shot clock, the shooter can, maybe, say, "Please reset the shot clock and start it after my opponent has removed his chalk."

I know a player who has thrown the enemy chalk at the enemy.

Sometimes the referee removes the forgotten chalk and hands it to the player. I don't remember whether I saw that for MR or PBS events.