What beginner pool tip do you wish you learned sooner?

bbb said:
are you saying the unconventional methods they adopted
lead to " More consistency and less susceptibility to breaking down under pressure "
so should be adopted by everyone ??????
or they just worked better for shane and mika
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I think mechanical presets are fantastic for locking in consistency but which particular ones to use and how will be player dependent. Schmidt has a funky grip/wrist preset that obv works great for him. Orcollo has the most absurdly pronated grip you'll ever see. Also works awesome for him. So these guys and SVB all stray from convention and apply the same mechanical concept yet it ends up looking completely different in each case.

The beautiful thing about a conventional neutral hang is that it is easy to communicate and apply for just about everyone. But can it be improved upon as players lean into their own preferred feels and tendencies? Of course. And these top players, among countless others, have developed setups and little moves that make their strokes go, that do make them better and less likely to break down.

As far as Mika's stroke goes... it is radically different from a conventionl stroke in terms of force production. As are many pinoy strokes. The major advantage of that stroke type is speed control and effortless power. I think strokes of this nature when married with a reliable mechanical structure have the highest ceiling of any in the world. But that is a matter of opinion and personal preference I guess.

Earl, SVB, Mika, Efren, and Busty are 5 of my favorite players and arguably all in the top 10 all time. None are conventional. Their strokes are not full of flaws that have been overcome by countless hours of play. They are better.
 
WobblyStroke said:
I think mechanical presets are fantastic for locking in consistency but which particular ones to use and how will be player dependent. Schmidt has a funky grip/wrist preset that obv works great for him. Orcollo has the most absurdly pronated grip you'll ever see. Also works awesome for him. So these guys and SVB all stray from convention and apply the same mechanical concept yet it ends up looking completely different in each case.

The beautiful thing about a conventional neutral hang is that it is easy to communicate and apply for just about everyone. But can it be improved upon as players lean into their own preferred feels and tendencies? Of course. And these top players, among countless others, have developed setups and little moves that make their strokes go, that do make them better and less likely to break down.

As far as Mika's stroke goes... it is radically different from a conventionl stroke in terms of force production. As are many pinoy strokes. The major advantage of that stroke type is speed control and effortless power. I think strokes of this nature when married with a reliable mechanical structure have the highest ceiling of any in the world. But that is a matter of opinion and personal preference I guess.

Earl, SVB, Mika, Efren, and Busty are 5 of my favorite players and arguably all in the top 10 all time. None are conventional. Their strokes are not full of flaws that have been overcome by countless hours of play. They are better.
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Again i ask
If they are better should a player try to copy it?
 
There's no "it" about how come a beater, beats. It's a system and things like headroom come to mind. I say headroom for convenience. You can see it at work and doesn't require a lot of specificity.
 
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bbb said:
Again i ask
If they are better should a player try to copy it?
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The simple answer is no. U can TLDR the rest.

Players can learn to apply certain ideas or mechanical principles and arrive at their own particular style, but to try to copy the visual appearance of someone else's fully refined technique would be foolish.

This is actually a big problem with THE fundamentals too. People get caught up in the form and getting the look right, but they miss the function and the reason it looks that way. Most people fall inside a fairly narrow range and the prescribed right look will get them at least close to ideal. For some lucky folks, that exactly right look will have them locked in and their stroke dead repeatable and 'on rails'. Others will be just that few degrees off perfect for them and never attain that top level of consistency.

Those greats I mention above have "better" strokes because they are reliable and repeat over and over and can be trusted to do so under great pressure. This goes beyond mere mechanics, tho their mechanics are sound even if they don't match the cookie cutter textbooks. And even the textbooks barely ever touch on efficient force production, which at best is left to the subconscious. At worst, some recommend biceps. Want to guess how many of the 5 greats I listed power their stroke with their biceps? I'd wager a lot on zero.
 
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WobblyStroke said:
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The simple answer is no. U can TLDR the rest.

Players can learn to apply certain ideas or mechanical principles and arrive at their own particular style, but to try to copy the visual appearance of someone else's fully refined technique would be foolish.

This is actually a big problem with THE fundamentals too. People get caught up in the form and getting the look right, but they miss the function and the reason it looks that way. Most people fall inside a fairly narrow range and the prescribed right look will get them at least close to ideal. For some lucky folks, that exactly right look will have them locked in and their stroke dead repeatable and 'on rails'. Others will be just that few degrees off perfect for them and never attain that top level of consistency.

Those greats I mention above have "better" strokes because they are reliable and repeat over and over and can be trusted to do so under great pressure. This goes beyond mere mechanics, tho their mechanics are sound even if they don't match the cookie cutter textbooks. And even the textbooks barely ever touch on efficient force production, which at best is left to the subconscious. At worst, some recommend biceps. Want to guess how many of the 5 greats I listed power their stroke with their biceps? I'd wager a lot on zero.
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thanks @WobblyStroke
one last question (for now ...:ROFLMAO:)
whats TLDR ?
 
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