Spotting the 10 ball

iusedtoberich said:
Why aren’t they breaking like Shane taught the world then, and making 2-4 balls on the break like he was, even with the wood rack in TAR 1?
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Less risk (especially with hand racking). If you break from center and don't make a ball the odds are good you leave a wide open table for your opponent. Breaking from the side (with intent to make the 1) leaves more congestion on the side you broke from.
If the center break is working, run with it.
If not...break from the side and trust you're better tactically.
 
sudocrushms said:
Less risk (especially with hand racking). If you break from center and don't make a ball the odds are good you leave a wide open table for your opponent. Breaking from the side (with intent to make the 1) leaves more congestion on the side you broke from.
If the center break is working, run with it.
If not...break from the side and trust you're better tactically.
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This way of thinking only works on low level play. Competent players and especially pros have a massive massive advantage just by making the first ball even when they don’t run out.
 
InsertCleverNameHere said:
This way of thinking only works on low level play. Competent players and especially pros have a massive massive advantage just by making the first ball even when they don’t run out.
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If I'm playing 10b against low level players I'll break from center the whole time as I won't expect them to be out if I'm dry. Against good players you need to play a large part of the game 2 ways.

Obviously making a ball is a huge advantage, but anyone that plays 10b with and without a template knows it is FAR more difficult to consistently make a ball with a hand rack (just look at the stats from Predator events). Even with all 10 on the table you don't want to leave it open as with a center-table break. They'll be out on you every time. If you're not getting the second row consistently, you switch to the 1 in the side and work through the mess. If the 1 doesn't go at least you're less likely to leave an easy out. You have to play everything by the percentages.
 
Something isn't adding up. TAR 1 was in 2007, and Shane showed the world with a wood rack how to break 10 ball, making the corner balls 4 rails, the head ball and the balls behind it in the side, etc. Billy was on the mic, and paraphrasing, he said "Shane is playing 7 ball while Corey is playing 9 ball after the break".

From 2007 until at least 2020, that was the 10 ball break the pros used. It didn't matter if it was a wood rack or a template.

Now, in these Predator events, all the pros are breaking from the rail? Are we sure they don't have a rule where you "must" break far away from center table? Is their rack so bad that the Shane break doesn't work?
 
sudocrushms said:
If I'm playing 10b against low level players I'll break from center the whole time as I won't expect them to be out if I'm dry. Against good players you need to play a large part of the game 2 ways.

Obviously making a ball is a huge advantage, but anyone that plays 10b with and without a template knows it is FAR more difficult to consistently make a ball with a hand rack (just look at the stats from Predator events). Even with all 10 on the table you don't want to leave it open as with a center-table break. They'll be out on you every time. If you're not getting the second row consistently, you switch to the 1 in the side and work through the mess. If the 1 doesn't go at least you're less likely to leave an easy out. You have to play everything by the percentages.
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So the 1 in the side is dead, got it. Yeah, nah disagree on just about everything said here.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Something isn't adding up. TAR 1 was in 2007, and Shane showed the world with a wood rack how to break 10 ball, making the corner balls 4 rails, the head ball and the balls behind it in the side, etc. Billy was on the mic, and paraphrasing, he said "Shane is playing 7 ball while Corey is playing 9 ball after the break".

From 2007 until at least 2020, that was the 10 ball break the pros used. It didn't matter if it was a wood rack or a template.

Now, in these Predator events, all the pros are breaking from the rail? Are we sure they don't have a rule where you "must" break far away from center table? Is their rack so bad that the Shane break doesn't work?
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Tighter pockets?
Different cloth?
Different humidity conditions?
All will make a difference
 
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