Do you ever get the feeling that the Fargo Rate of a player just does not seem right?

bbb said:
The other side of that story
Is people sandbag and lose on purpose to keep their Fargo rating low
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The needle moves so slowly in FR once you are established that I don't think sandbagging would make much difference unless you donate to every local tournament just to go 2 and out. You would have to win sometimes otherwise you are just a perpetual loser, not a sandbagger.
 
You ever get the feeling that uh, this is going to be another whine. So before I read it better go get the cheese. 😉
 
Island Drive said:
I quit for 15 yrs and took a look, 646. Then went out, played horrible worked my way downward, and at my age 77 they don't seem to want to lower me much more.
I think they should consider later yrs into ones rating, would enjoy some doubles, using my knowledge/not my skills to help my partner with shot choices.
Since there's not another doing this, it's a good place to get an idea of ones level, but often like many gamblers they work it to their advantage, it is what it is.
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Brother, you and I are in the same boat.

I'm 77 as well... quit for 17 years... restarted almost exactly one year ago today. The difference being, I never established a FR before I stopped playing back in 2008.

Fargo started me as a 495 one year ago... and I'm currently in their system as a 410 without ever having played a match in a tournament or a game in league play. My Robustness is still at 0... but I know my speed based on hitting a lot of balls with my buddies who have established FRs.

One nice thing about taking extensive time off from the game... you lose the muscle memory you formerly had... and get to develop a new baseline employing better mechanics and deeper knowledge of the game.
 
Fargo is far from perfect. I float around 570, on any given day I can multiple racks. I can also miss straight in shots. I know plenty of players that are rated lower I won't gamble with, and plenty of players rated higher I'll happily gamble with. It is just a way to get a idea of someone plays, not a perfect system.
 
skor said:
Are there any leagues or tournaments that use FargoRate for handicapping?
In my opinion, the system will only work for 8ball.
And the top/pro rating is unnecessary as they don’t do handicapping and there are other ranking lists.
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My 8 ball league uses fargo and all tournaments ran put of the hall use fargo. Doubles league uses fargo as well but doesn’t report.
 
Fargorate only shows one thing: a player's win/loss record against other fargo-rated players.
It is not an exact indicator of a player's actual talent.
Every player has different strengths and weaknesses, even at identical fargorates.
Fargorate measures the end result of the competitive play, not the journey to the result.
Also, contrary to what Mr. Page will say, fargorate and ALL handicapping systems can be sand-bagged.
I know tons of guys (including myself) who sandbag in league and small tournaments in order to dominate in big, fargorated events.
I easily play over 100 points above my fargo when the money is on the line...
That's just the way it is, and always has been.
 
SlopCounts said:
Fargorate only shows one thing: a player's win/loss record against other fargo-rated players.
It is not an exact indicator of a player's actual talent.
Every player has different strengths and weaknesses, even at identical fargorates.
Fargorate measures the end result of the competitive play, not the journey to the result.
Also, contrary to what Mr. Page will say, fargorate and ALL handicapping systems can be sand-bagged.
I know tons of guys (including myself) who sandbag in league and small tournaments in order to dominate in big, fargorated events.
I easily play over 100 points above my fargo when the money is on the line...
That's just the way it is, and always has been.
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Yeah you do, that sandbagging shit works great, I moved my FR 75 points in league last night and I have over a 3K robustness.
 
Coos Cues said:
And continue to make the raw data unavailable to others who might punch holes in their conclusions.
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Interesting.

Can't you use the posted Fargo rates of players and the match results from any (or many) large participation events (Vegas events, for example) and run the data without their assistance?
 
Frosty said:
Exactly, one of my regular opponents in action can run 8 & out in 1pocket in a heartbeat if you make a mistake, and he regularly runs 4 & 5 packs in 9 ball, and is only rated a 600 Fargo score. I’ve played guys in the 700-750 range that aren’t as good as he is.

I asked him how that is, and he said he doesn’t play in many tournaments as he’s always in action, so his score is only a reflection of a small sample of matches for him.
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If he is running 5 packs consistently and it only a 600 Fargo, he must be really dogging his rated matches.
 
GideonF said:
I’m assuming this is sarcasm, as I can’t see how this could ever happen.
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Absolutely!!!! Anyone with an established FR knows that your FR number moves very slowly. For a well established shooter a FR change of 5 points would be huge for a single tournament if even possible.
 
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