I'm almost positive they will not use a match clock. Just the 30-second shot clock with one extension.
Justin Bergman vs Tom Cousins
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home soil, equipment familiarity, stamina.. maybe? i don't follow all the UPUSA events, but i can think of those factors being in his favor. both are very accurate shooters and pattern players
Then, feels like Berg.
I think I agree with you, what would trigger the 15 second clock to start??? I don't think there is a time limit on the match.
The 15 seconds only comes into play during the final 10 minutes of a tournament match. Since this is a money game, I would imagine both players agreed to no match clock. Justin certainly doesn't want it to be a 15 second shot clock.
Justin was acting very confident when Mike asked him about the match at the USA Nationals. They both have been playing in the Ultimate Pool USA tournaments for the last couple of years. So both are very familiar with the equipment. Justin said he was surprized that Tom took the match. Hmm? I've got Justin in a close one.
I like Justin. He seems to have gotten a little giddy up recently, has some new sponsors and wants to see how far he can go. Has good support from his family and friends.
he thinks justin is better?
Ya think? I'm simply asking for people to elaborate on their picks, that's all. All of the posts on facebook I've seen about this are hilarious. Some people saying Tom won't get to 10, etc. I'm wondering if people who are so confident about either side have spent much time learning about the other. I consider them both buddies of mine, and can't wait to be there for this match!
I have spoken to some of my English buddies and I'm honestly surprised there isn't $1M in the middle. Most people over there think it's an absolute robbery by Tom, and most Americans I've talked to think the opposite. I have Tom in a close one, but if there is a way both can win I'd prefer that.
JABSolstice
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Why?I have spoken to some of my English buddies and I'm honestly surprised there isn't $1M in the middle. Most people over there think it's an absolute robbery by Tom, and most Americans I've talked to think the opposite. I have Tom in a close one, but if there is a way both can win I'd prefer that.
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I will bet on Justin, but I ain’t holding my breath.
what rules? Cuz if it’s the lame-ass Ultimate Pool Rules, Iceberg will lose close on a technicality of the rules. Because they’re dumb. If International Rules means accepted WPA rules, which I don’t think that’s what they’re saying, then Bergman is a favorite in my opinion. But I think they’re doing those lame ass, dumb ass, stupid ass rules.
I will bet on Justin, but I ain’t holding my breath.
Just couldn't help it.
Can I ask why they bother you so much?
I walked right into that one
I think they are both capable of running out every opportunity they get. They both have amazing cueballs and patterns. I think Tom has the edge with the shot clock for sure. The International 8-ball rules will only favor Tom in the rarest of circumstances. Justin is very familiar with these rules now. I also think Tom breaks better.
Tom has won several of these titles over here by this point. And some of them were in monster fields with a cue he borrowed. He's getting to KC in a couple of days and will have loads of practice time before the match, which is something he never does (and he still wins!)
I could see either player win this match by 10 games. I've been wrong before and I'm ok if I'm wrong again, but I'm betting my money on Tom.
Badpenguin
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Tom, who seems more stable to me. Bergman tends to frustrate himself and then start choking. And Tom isn't some APA 6 on a bar table.
As an industry, one of our largest challenges has been trying to settle on a consistent set of rules. That is difficult enough when the game has several large amateur leagues that maintain their own established rule sets, while the world-standardized rules continue to evolve and often look quite different.
The confusion only increases when another organization introduces what it calls “International Rules.” Especially in today’s wildfire internet environment, Ultimate Pool regularly posts rules scenarios on Facebook that would drive many people who have played American 8-ball for decades absolutely insane.
They are entitled to play their version of the game, but it is much closer to UK 8-ball or blackball than the traditional solids-and-stripes game most American players recognize. I wish they would simply present it that way instead of using a name that suggests it is the international standard for all 8-ball.
Right, thats why I agree that it wont be the match clock because there is no trigger for the 15 second portion. Although 15 seconds seems like it should be enough time to get a shot off it hardly gives you enough time to "walk the table". I have watched every UPUSA tournament and you always see players get caught out by the 15 second timer. Cousins has great rhythm, he looks like he takes his time, is usually down on the shot with around 6-7 seconds to go and pulls the trigger at about 2 seconds and very seldom looks rushed. His timing seems to stay the same whether its a simple shot or something he has to work at.