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Carbon Fiber Hybrid with a twist.
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Mensabum, this is a really interesting middle ground — I've been stuck on my wood shaft here in Hamilton mostly because I like the feedback, and the couple of full carbon shafts I've tried felt a bit dead to me, even if they were forgiving. Your point about the white ash giving you that feel back while still keeping deflection minimal is what caught me. Vince's Janka hardness reasoning makes sense on paper, but I'm curious how it actually plays on a long shot with a tip of side spin, where I still tend to overcompensate and miss thin. Does the hybrid let you aim pretty much like a low-deflection carbon shaft there, or do you still have to adjust more like wood?
Rusty in Montana
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I feel that for us mere mortals there's what I call the learning curve with any new to us shaft or cue , for myself I need to play quite a few racks to start to get the hang of it so to speak while some others claim that the learning curve happens nearly without much effort .
For myself I find that old favorite cue combination and use it when the proverbial chips are down .
This is one of the main reasons why I miss having easy access to a 9 ft table where I can set up a shot or drill and work my way through the course of becoming more familiar with the new cue / shaft .
Yes it can be accomplished on a bar table if you have a pocket full of quarters ha ha but the 9' hour table is more enjoyable for best results .
In other words when a person wonders about this or that shaft or cue they need to try it for them selves because there isn't a one size fits all as we all know but refuse to admit to when it comes to pool cues , so bite the bullet and crack out the wallet and spend the cash until someone opens up a supply house when a person can go and try each and every new cue out there which I'm not holding my breath until it happens .
As always you're results may vary !
For myself I find that old favorite cue combination and use it when the proverbial chips are down .
This is one of the main reasons why I miss having easy access to a 9 ft table where I can set up a shot or drill and work my way through the course of becoming more familiar with the new cue / shaft .
Yes it can be accomplished on a bar table if you have a pocket full of quarters ha ha but the 9' hour table is more enjoyable for best results .
In other words when a person wonders about this or that shaft or cue they need to try it for them selves because there isn't a one size fits all as we all know but refuse to admit to when it comes to pool cues , so bite the bullet and crack out the wallet and spend the cash until someone opens up a supply house when a person can go and try each and every new cue out there which I'm not holding my breath until it happens .
As always you're results may vary !
I crank power strokes with a shitload of high inside or outside with no adjustment for deflection on shots 6 or 7 diamonds or less. Full table power may require a tweak, but not much. Vince makes a damn good low def hybrid.
You won't see very many shots requiring an aim adjustment if you play with a shaft that allows you to focus on other aspects of your game and stroke.
Solid consistent hit, excellent feedback. I'm all in.
I have 3.
He puts a lot into these. This isn't just a piece of CF jammed on a wood base. The r&d he's put into the urethane foam alone would fill a book. Then there's the dampeners, the ferrule material, and one or two others he won't tell me much about.
The guy will work to make you happy.I know the CF he uses is not only uni, but has 2 other weave patterns for stability and flex. Preresinated is just the starting point.
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I crank power strokes with a shitload of high inside or outside with no adjustment for deflection on shots 6 or 7 diamonds or less. Full table power may require a tweak, but not much. Vince makes a damn good low def hybrid.
You won't see very many shots requiring an aim adjustment if you play with a shaft that allows you to focus on other aspects of your game and stroke.
Solid consistent hit, excellent feedback. I'm all in.
I have 3.
He puts a lot into these. This isn't just a piece of CF jammed on a wood base. The r&d he's put into the urethane foam alone would fill a book. Then there's the dampeners, the ferrule material, and one or two others he won't tell me much about.
I know the CF he uses is not only uni, but has 2 other weave patterns for stability and flex. Preresinated is just the starting point.
Mensabum, that answers my question better than I asked it. The part that stuck with me is no aim adjustment on a power stroke with a pile of inside or outside, six or seven diamonds or less. That's exactly the shot where I overcompensate with my wood shaft and miss thin, so hearing that the hybrid just lets you play the shot is pretty convincing.
And the detail about the urethane foam and the dampeners and the ferrule — that tells me this isn't just carbon slapped on wood. Vince clearly sweats the stuff nobody sees. Three of them says the rest.
Are all three of yours set up the same, or did he build them a little differently from each other? I'm curious whether you found one setup you trust and just repeated it, or whether each one has its own job.
The last two are basically repeats. I got hung up on length and against his advice wanted a longer shaft than Vince was comfy with, but he made it for me anyway and it deflects some.
I listened on the next one and got exactly what I wanted. That's why I ordered a third.
Back up, jic. That and I sort of took advantage of the price. Once these take off, they're going to be more expensive.Hope that helps.
Ha, going against his advice on length and then coming back for the next one built to spec — that's a lesson in itself. Third one as a backup makes sense if the price jumps once they take off. Which of the three gets the most table time now?The last two are basically repeats. I got hung up on length and against his advice wanted a longer shaft than Vince was comfy with, but he made it for me anyway and it deflects some.
I listened on the next one and got exactly what I wanted. That's why I ordered a third.
Hope that helps.
Either of the last 2.
They both play strong.
I just put a new tip on one of them that will get broke in here in an hour or so.
I play just about everyday, and work my tips a lot, so they don't last long. 4 months, maybe. I like how I still have a backup while one is down for tip replacement.
I use a hard tip, btw...
That helps, thanks. A hard tip and a backup while the other one's down for a re-tip makes a lot of sense.
The first shaft has some flex to it and I use that one for straight pool and eight ball, where I don't need much power.
I can load up and let the shaft do the work.
The other two shafts are slightly different in length and ferrule material, one had the dampener removed and the other had a different ferrule design. Both play very well . I just point and shoot. Nice having the spare and not having to constantly adjust for deflection.
that makes sense dude, letting the flexy one do the work for straight pool and 8 ball sounds like the right call. do you reach for that one most nights or just when you want to slow it down
I practice 14:1 bcuz I've always enjoyed it and learned how to play by playing it.
I mostly play 9 ball now, but a few of the guys like 15 ball rotation.
I'll pull that shaft out for the rotation and leave the other 2 for my nine ball game.
I rely on the drift or carry I get from those 2 on power shots like Shallow angle rail cuts when I need the CB to carry straight across the table 2 rails. (Twice) That and on kill shots or Stun. The stiff shaft works so much better for those bcuz I don't need to worry about any extra juice coming from the flex.
If that makes sense.
that makes a lot of sense, saving the flexy one for rotation and letting the stiff ones carry the cue ball on those power shots. i never thought about the drift on a shallow rail cut like that, do you find the stiff shaft helps more on kill shots or on the stun shots
Both. It's all in the stroke.
haha fair, that is the real answer. i am gonna work on the stroke and stop blaming the shaft lol