International Open 2025
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Free live stream you say? Big difference from charging $80 last year.
i suspect it's WNTTV for the 9b, but also that pat got a decent sponsor on board?
Never had to deal with him. Always liked his spiel on ESPN.
jax_joe
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And get rid of Wilson too.
I don't like the "$XXX money added" terminology in pool. As someone who just started watching pro pool four years ago, the phrasing has always puzzled and confused me. I suspect many casual or potential fans would also be confused.
Is that the total prize fund? If so, just say that. Keep it simple, like MR does.
If it doesn't mean total prize fund, what does it mean, exactly?
Is that the total prize fund? If so, just say that. Keep it simple, like MR does.
If it doesn't mean total prize fund, what does it mean, exactly?
earlier years it's been around 40k for winner. i assume around 200k total
is yapp incumbent two time champion?
jax_joe
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yes
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WNT.TV isn't free. It requires the purchase of a subscription.
Really disagree here. Announcing the added is the most accurate way to represent the prize money to be paid.
Added money means that the TOTAL PRIZE FUND = ENTRY FEES COLLECTED + ADDED MONEY, meaning that if the field does not fill, the total payout will be less than otherwise.
At a time when payouts are routinely and intentionally misrepresented in action matches, it's surprising that you would complain about somebody who is offering complete and accurate information about the projected payouts.
Except, sjm, what you just wrote was news to me. I didn't know what "added money" meant until you explained it. No one ever explains it!
That's why newer fans like me were left to wonder. And since I couldn't tell for sure how big the total payout was, I couldn't get a true sense of how big a tournament was.
Now I know, thanks to you. I see why it would be important news to convey, especially to the players.
Gotcha. Sorry, I didn't realize you were unaware of the meaning of this term, which has been around for more than 50 years.
As you can see, added money is a vital cost for an event producer. For practical purposes, for an event producer to make money at an event, sponsorship money, TV/Streaming money, revenue form live attendance, and other revenue must more than cover the costs of production plus the added money. The events that last year after year are the ones able to make this happen consistently.
Understanding added money will help you to appreciate how sweet the Matchroom Invitationals, in which there are no entry fees, are for the players. In these events (Mosconi, PLP, WPM, WCOP), the prize fund consists entirely of added money. The Mosconi is a $300,000 added money event!
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(As said already, "added money" is the part of the prize fund added by the promoter and not from entry fees.)
It is a holdover from when pool tournaments were almost completely funded by the entry fees. The added money was an indicator of how competent the promoter was at finding sponsors and spectators and how good the players' "money odds" were at the tournament.
Of course at other sports the concept is bizarre. Imagine Wimbledon mentioning their "added money". Do they even have an entry fee?
And then there are the American tournaments that advertise, say, $5000 in added money but also charge the 64 players $30 each in "greens fees". To me, that is $3000 in added money.
The recent UK Open did not say anything about added money, but it was 66% of the prize fund. More than 50% was almost unheard of in traditional player-funded US events. Well, they did occur. I played in one event in the 1970s with a $50,000 advertised prize fund, a $300 entry fee and about 56 players. That would be about 66% added money. The interesting twist was that the prize fund was actually only $17,000, or zero added money. Everyone entered knew the deal except one surprised player from Colorado (Scott Smith) who was in New Jersey expecting good money odds.
I think it will be a sign that pool has really succeeded when the term is no longer used.
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John Schdmit and Mark Wilson work well together. Although, sometimes you can tell Schdmit likes to take over, mainly because Mark has these silent spells more often than not.
“He hit that fatter than my ex-wife.” - - -John Schmidt