turn down shaft or buy new LD shaft?

[TeddyKGB]

I have 2 Barnhart shafts that are a full 13mm and 4ozs. I'm used to playing with a Z3 shaft so they deflect quite a bit more than im used to.

Do you think having one of the shafts turned down to 11.8mm would result in deflection similar to a Z3? or should i just go ahead and buy a Z3 shaft?

The only reason I'm considering the turn down is to keep matching rings and i hate shaft logos that come on predator shafts.

Thanks

 

[slide13]

A turned down standard shaft will not be as low deflection as a Z3. So if you want that, get a Z3.

Turning down a shaft will get it to feel more similar just based on diameter and it will be somewhat lower deflection due to the lower end mass, but not to the degree you'd see by using a Z3.

 

[kingwang]

I have 2 Barnhart shafts that are a full 13mm and 4ozs. I'm used to playing with a Z3 shaft so they deflect quite a bit more than im used to.

Do you think having one of the shafts turned down to 11.8mm would result in deflection similar to a Z3? or should i just go ahead and buy a Z3 shaft?

The only reason I'm considering the turn down is to keep matching rings and i hate shaft logos that come on predator shafts.

Thanks

You can send him a Z3 blank and have him add the rings and leave off the logo. Or send him an existing shaft and do the same. Or have another cue maker do the same, some are able to replicate the rings.

 

[Sealegs50]

Turning down your Barnhart shaft(s) will likely impact your ability to sell them later should you choose to do so.

I’d buy the Z3 if that’s what you want. I would think the shaft could be refinished to remove the logo. Matching rings would be minimally important for me.

 

[skor]

I agree with all that has been said above.
Sell the shafts that you don’t need and get the one you want.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I have 2 Barnhart shafts that are a full 13mm and 4ozs. I'm used to playing with a Z3 shaft so they deflect quite a bit more than im used to.

Do you think having one of the shafts turned down to 11.8mm would result in deflection similar to a Z3? or should i just go ahead and buy a Z3 shaft?

The only reason I'm considering the turn down is to keep matching rings and i hate shaft logos that come on predator shafts.

Thanks

To approximate the Z3’s squirt you’d need to also hollow out the tip end like Pred does.

pj
chgo

 

[skor]

To approximate the Z3’s squirt you’d need to also drill out the shaft end like Pred does.

pj
chgo

And change the taper

 

[GoldCrown]

I have 2 Barnhart shafts that are a full 13mm and 4ozs. I'm used to playing with a Z3 shaft so they deflect quite a bit more than im used to.

Do you think having one of the shafts turned down to 11.8mm would result in deflection similar to a Z3? or should i just go ahead and buy a Z3 shaft?

The only reason I'm considering the turn down is to keep matching rings and i hate shaft logos that come on predator shafts.

Thanks

My fave collectable. I turned both shafts down. One was 13 that I had turned down to 12. I hate it. Other was 14 turned to 13. Should have left both alone.

 

[Zerksies]

I know from experience that predator does not reccomend turning down a shaft past 12.25mm, Just saying another brand might have the same issue

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I know from experience that predator does not reccomend turning down a shaft past 12.25mm, Just saying another brand might have the same issue

Probably because with their hollow tip you’d make the tenon walls too thin. Other brands don’t typically have hollow tips.

Pj
chgo

 

[Kim Bye]

Tiger makes a nice 12mm shaft, you can buy that as a partial and have your preferred cue maker install rings, thread and finish it. A superior shaft in every way to Predator Z if you ask me..

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Tiger makes a nice 12mm shaft, you can buy that as a partial and have your preferred cue maker install rings, thread and finish it. A superior shaft in every way to Predator Z if you ask me..

Does “every way” include less CB deflection (squirt)?

pj
chgo

 

[Kim Bye]

Does “every way” include less CB deflection (squirt)?

pj
chgo

Yes it's a low deflection shaft, but they have done it in a sensible way, so the shaft doesn't have the same issues as Predator Z/314 and OB shafts have where you hollow out the shafts so much and put on flimsy ferrules that tend to break or crack all the time. As a bonus you get a shaft with a better feel. Hollowed out shafts tend to feel more dead imo.

 

[gypsy_soul]

Tiger makes a nice 12mm shaft, you can buy that as a partial and have your preferred cue maker install rings, thread and finish it. A superior shaft in every way to Predator Z if you ask me..

I think it’s called the Tiger X Pro .. I had one and it was absolutely the best I ever hit with . Actually getting me another lol

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Re CF shaft...

Yes it's a low deflection shaft, but they have done it in a sensible way, so the shaft doesn't have the same issues as Predator Z/314 and OB shafts have where you hollow out the shafts so much and put on flimsy ferrules that tend to break or crack all the time. As a bonus you get a shaft with a better feel. Hollowed out shafts tend to feel more dead imo.

Aren't CF shafts normally hollow (maybe filled with foam)?

pj
chgo

 

[DeeDeeCues]

Re CF shaft...

Aren't CF shafts normally hollow (maybe filled with foam)?

pj
chgo

Always hollow and I don't know of any that aren't mostly filled with foam. A solid cf shaft would be much too heavy.

 

[Kim Bye]

Re CF shaft...

Aren't CF shafts normally hollow (maybe filled with foam)?

pj
chgo

They certainly are. A solid carbon fibre shaft would be a terrible solution. But you can't equate a hollowed out wood shaft to a carbon fibre one. Carbon fibre is so much stronger, even though the wall thickness might only be 0.8mm.
Since it such a strong material impact transfer through the tennon and ferrule isn't the same as on a wood shaft. Carbon fibre presents other challenges in terms of machining, PPE and several other factors.