Benelli
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It was an Aramith USA employee at an event.
Dynaspheres Tungsten 572 Pool Ball Set
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Good price on the Vanadiums. These replaced the Bronze. Great balls. They use them at Main Street in Mesa and a friend that plays there said they are great balls. https://billiardsuperstore.com/dynasphere-vanadium-572-pool-ball-set/
Ask Aramith or Dyna DIRECT. Bet you get better info than a trade show helper. I just did a search of those Conti's and more than one place said they were screen-printed phenolic balls. They were really intended for kids rooms/rec rooms and not serious play.
You can probably take what he said with a grain of salt being as he works for the company Dynaspheres has their sites on. That being said, you never know. I'll post the response from Dynaspheres when I get it.
I was surprised the Tung's are higher than the Vanadiums. Must be the inlay work cause they sure don't look better to me.
I spoke to the same guy at an event this year. He's super passionate about his product, I really enjoyed talking with him. But he also is "less than flattering" of the other brands. I'd take anything he says about other brands with a grain of salt.
It's funny, me personally, I love the look of the Tungsten more than just about all the other sets (from any vendor). I like how there is just a simple black ring, and nothing else. The color choices, I understand the dislike for. But the design itself is so simple and pretty, IMO.
Try going to a car show and ask the Ford dude about Chevy's. Kinda the same deal. Really need to ask the co. direct. I did with Dyna when they first came out so what i posted here is based solely on what they told me. As for those A'mith Conti's there was a guy on here and a couple on-line elsewhere that stated they were screen-printed phenolic balls. Had to be to be so cheap. Still some out there but they quit making them.
I call 'em 'DynaTurds'. I'll take standard/classic colors every time. They've been around forever for a reason so why jack with the colors? Felt same way when the tv balls/skittles came out. They were/are disgusting.
A few days ago, I made an impulse buy, and grabbed a set of the Dynasphere Vanadium balls. Don't really need them, as my Aramith tournament balls are fine. But I like the classic colors, and the price seemed good, so I bought them. UPS says they will be here later today. We'll see how I like them....
As good(better??) than A'mith Premiums for 50bux less. What's not to like? Look at Rexus's ball sticky. Their tolerances are insanely good. https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/pool-ball-weights.536976/
Benelli
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I have the Tungstens, Bronze, Silvers, Golds, and a set of Platinums
Yeah, they were 100% screen printed
This doesn't make sense. There is no way to manufacture a ball with a core of one material and a shell of another material. The geometric center of the ball loses reference during the spherical grinding process, and there is no way to keep the center of mass aligned with the geometric center. You would end up with an imbalanced ball, or a statistical spread of imbalanced balls around a few lucky ones. If you hand-picked perfect ones than the yield would be less than 5% and the cost would be astronomical.
The only way to manufacture a balanced ball is to use a homogeneous material, or keep the density integral of all parts of the ball exactly the same.
EDIT: (unless you mix the resin to have the same densities, so I shouldn't have said "no way")
The glossy "shell" or "glaze" that you see on high quality balls is not a different material, but just the vitrification of the resin into an amorphous layer using heat. The cost of the ball is less dependent on the resin used, and more dependent on the amount of heat energy needed to cure the balls, which can take up to a week in the oven at different temperature stages, etc, and offsetting electric/natural gas/oil bill costs for the factory.
Polyester is a thermoplastic (not a thermoset) and doesn't require baking to cure. It is a cheaper process but inferior because it melts at temperatures seen by contact points of skidding pool balls on cloth. Thermosets don't melt since they are completely crosslinked in three dimensions.
It is very possible that salesmen of these products don't understand their product fully.
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Good info. This 'phenolic over resin core' is just bs. They don't make balls like that.
Benelli
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The process was explained to me as a core ball that was less than 20% phenolic, which was then overlaid with the glossy shell.
As you stepped up in the line, the percentage of phenolic in the core ball increased until you were at 100%
100% agree that the actual cost is curing and the more phenolic you have in the ball the longer and more expensive that curing process is.
Resin and curing is the real costs to manufacture, not inlays...
Well, we have seen balls with a shell split open revealing another, smaller ball inside, so it has been done.
If the density of the core is very close to the density of the outer shell, it doesn't need to be perfectly centered. The centering can probably be controlled. Both of those come down to developing manufacturing processes and I think neither one is impossible to get close enough.
I think the best way to find out for sure is to get a set of balls and visit a band saw.
Benelli
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Again, the devil is in the details; they did not say they only made 100% phenolic balls. The Aramith rep I met was the one who explained this to me, not some bullshit on the web. The only way they have to reduce cost is the materials in the ball...
My god, the amount of distrust people have on this site is only tempered by how much of their opinion is baked into the desired answer.
they play very well and it all in your mind if you dont think so after playing for a time.
i bought a few sets of the bronze(which are close to classic colors) a while back and they play just as good as my brunswick sets.
and stay cleaner. and i dont polish my balls so i can draw farther .
i bought a few sets of the bronze(which are close to classic colors) a while back and they play just as good as my brunswick sets.
and stay cleaner. and i dont polish my balls so i can draw farther .
I work directly with the CEO of Saluc. He is not aware of any heterogenous materials in the products. Please use a bandsaw and a camera.