Dominguez vs Guama race to 50 for 80+ per side

I’m sure Guama, along with everyone and their mother, were aware Oscar touched the table. Why didn’t he refuse to play or adjust?
It’s a way out.

Would it matter if they didn't? Because Guama and his backers are saying they didn't know anything about Oscar working on the table until yesterday,
 
The unanswered question (as far as I can see) is what Guama and his team knew about Oscar tightening the bolts. Oscar said he did it openly.

If Guama or his team saw Oscar doing this, then to me they could either demand the bolts be loosened or call off the match. I don’t think they can play with knowledge and complain later.

If Oscar did it openly but not in view of Guama or his team, I think they’ve got a point. I don’t think Oscar is cheating if that’s what happened, but I don’t think you can change the playing conditions without the opponent’s knowledge.

I agree with this. I don't think Oscar was trying to cheat. It did change the way the table played, and Guama's side is saying they didn't know until yesterday that Oscar had worked on the table. I do think they have a point that it should have been disclosed before hand.

Also, Guama said his side had posted and paid after the match, and if there is anything that hasn't been paid, it's side bets.
 
I’ve never seen anyone adjust the table mid-action on their own accord. I wouldn’t be happy if my playing competitor showed with tools and starting wrenching on the table. Oscar opened up a can of worms on himself. If he had a problem with the table, he should have addressed it with Guama and had someone neutral fix the table.

I am not in anyway saying Oscar is a cheat. But he opened himself up for controversy.
 
I’ve never seen anyone adjust the table mid-action on their own accord. I wouldn’t be happy if my playing competitor showed with tools and starting wrenching on the table. Oscar opened up a can of worms on himself. If he had a problem with the table, he should have addressed it with Guama and had someone neutral fix the table.

I am not in anyway saying Oscar is a cheat. But he opened himself up for controversy.

I believe it was pre-action, not mid-action.
 
I’ve never seen anyone adjust the table mid-action on their own accord. I wouldn’t be happy if my playing competitor showed with tools and starting wrenching on the table. Oscar opened up a can of worms on himself. If he had a problem with the table, he should have addressed it with Guama and had someone neutral fix the table.

I am not in anyway saying Oscar is a cheat. But he opened himself up for controversy.
I wouldn’t call fixing dead spots on the cushions by tightening loose rail bolts and replacing missing rail bolts as cheating. It’s not like he snuck in and did it in the middle of the night. It’s not hard for a professional level player to quickly see and hear the sound of dead spots on the cushions when hitting some balls on the table. It’s not an unreasonable request for the table to play the way it should play.

I’m sure Oscar noticed the issue, informed the owner / manager and was given permission to fix it. If that alteration was not known to his opponent or his entourage, that’s their fault for not being around the poolroom when they should have been, before a big $ match like this.
 
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Would it matter if they didn't? Because Guama and his backers are saying they didn't know anything about Oscar working on the table until yesterday,
I don’t know. I find it hard to believe they didn’t. There’s 2 sides to every side and then the truth.
I guess it only mattered 30 beans worth. I don’t think touching the table was right.
 
I wouldn’t call fixing dead spots on the cushions by tightening loose rail bolts and replacing missing rail bolts as cheating. It’s not like he snuck in and did it in the middle of the night. It’s not hard for a professional level player to quickly see and even hear dead spots on the cushions when hitting some balls on the table. It’s not an unreasonable request for the table to play the way it should play. I’m sure he noticed the issue, informed the owner / manager and was given permission to fix it.
I clearly stated that I am not calling Oscar a cheater.
 
I find it difficult to believe that Oscar was able to work on Guama's table without anyone knowing about it.
Did making the rails play correctly cause Guama to dog the several nearly straight in balls?
Guama got out to that early lead partly due to winning games after lucky misses. Oscar did not cry about it. He went to work.
 
If the angles the pockets are cut at are weird... Shooting balls into the facing from certain angles makes balls rattle.
This is why I live by Eddie Felson's "Nice clean pocket drop"
What's the point if you can't blast the ball down the rail and make the ball, but instead have to dribble it in ever so gently so that it doesn't bobble. Let alone hang up on those stupid shelves of extra slate that make diamond tables extra retarded.
It's 100% not worth it.
If you can't hit it in at a decent pace down the rail, it's stupid
 
Sounds like Guama prefers Goldcrown’s over Diamonds! Sorry, I couldn’t resist:):):)
Sounds like he's a typical scumbag pool player.

Stiff people, be addicted to drugs, steal...doesn't matter.
He will have legions of like minded scumbag followers and backers (a dime a dozen) who will gladly put him in games and laugh with him how they all got one over on whomever they rip off the next time.

This is the way of the pool world.
Zero accountability.
 
Wasn’t Guama up 9-1 to start? Are we saying he didn’t know how to play on that newly tightened cushion when he was winning, or was it only when was losing that he wasn’t used to the better conditions.

A great look for pool.

he's quoted some page back, saying more or less the gaffy table knowledge advantage was his spot
 
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If you go into a match knowing your advantage is how to play the dead rails on your table and you realize 10 games in that your table is different, your focus has changed and you start wondering what is going on. Your opponent seems to now understand your own table just as good as you, and now your advantage is gone. Perhaps at Oscars level he would figure it at some point, but maybe not until you had more games. You could probably end up sharking yourself. Oscar definitely did not cheat as he unknowingly addressed a basic "typical" requirement of a pool table.

The main bet was paid out and the side bets are in contention. Anyone that has been around gambling enough realizes that someone will try to avoid paying out if they can find any loophole to not pay. $5, 10, 100, people may pay to not deal with the hassle, but there is $50K plus on the line they will look for all excuses and Oscar provided them one.
 
and anyone around big stakes gambling will know you dont change anything rules or equipment without the others consent or you are considered to be cheating or at the very least stupid. and may not get paid at the very least.

when you make a bet the conditions you made it about, are the conditions it is to be unless both agree to the change.
 
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