Bergman will play WNT events in 2026

Architect said:
Just curious about how many people say he is better than Shane after the break. Is that saying that if he broke better he would be world champion and a 5 time US open champion as well? If that was all that needed to improve in his game he should have done that years ago.
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i think it's fair to say that. shane often has a couple misses in a match that he overcomes with his tremendous break. even in his US open wins. justin's break (old break rules) was really poor, but he didn't miss much once he was in. actually i'm not too impressed with his break in ultimate pool either lol

he's not alone. if chris melling practiced the break 1-2 hours a day, he would have won more. break practice is boring as hell..
 
Kris_b1104 said:
You're saying Bergman might play better than Shane after the break? In what universe? Ultimate Pool?
Cause it can't be 9/10ball on a 9ft table.

Idk man, Styer (791) just recently lost to (739) Jeremy Long 6-11 in a Matchroom 9Ball tournament.

If you're having a hard time falling asleep, I highly recommend watching Styer's pace around the table. Count how long each of his innings take without a shot clock in effect. It's excruciating and to me displays a lack of confidence.

Seems like he's having trouble shaking off those "flukes". Hopefully he can bounce back, but this is not the type of player that would thrive in the MC. He needs to speed up his game...A LOT. For himself, and for fans that like to watch pool.

At least I'll give credit to Bergman because he still thrives at Ultimate Pool with a short shot clock by speeding up his game.

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I just watched parts of the above match. A lot to take in here. Neither player is particularly impressive and would be big underdogs to any good player. Believe it or not Jeremy has more upside to his game. He looks like a guy with a job and family that also likes to play pool. If he could devote himself to the game full time he might be an 800 level player. But I doubt that's what his goal is. He's a two hour a day player who can beat most of the local players where he lives. You tell me if I'm wrong. I like the way he comfortably got out in the last rack with no fuss, no strain, and no wasted motion!

As for Tyler, he looks stiff and uncomfortable most of the time, with no flow to his game. It's like he's trying to do everything by the book and must keep reminding himself what to do on each shot. If you're in your head too much you will never be a top player, plain and simple. The best pool pool is played almost unconsciously. He has an inner intensity that only creates more pressure for himself on every shot. He spends way too much time studying obvious shots, where we (and he) know what he's going to do within seconds, and yet he walks around looking at this simple shot from every angle. Weak sauce I'm afraid. The last rack is case in point. A very simple position shot from the two to the three ball and he studies it for about a minute??? And then he bunts the cue ball and leaves himself a full diamond short on position. He does make the three but shoots into nowhere with the cue ball and now has to play safe on the four. Match over after that.

Tyler needs a mental coach.
 
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jay helfert said:
I just watched parts of the above match. A lot to take in here. Neither player is particularly impressive and would be big underdogs to any good player. Believe it or not Jeremy has more upside to his game. He looks like a guy with a job and family that also likes to play pool. If he could devote himself to the game full time he might be an 800 level player. But I doubt that's what his goal is. He's a two hour a day player who can beat most of the local players where he lives. You tell me if I'm wrong. I like the way he comfortably got out in the last rack with no fuss and no strain, and no wasted motion!

As for Tyler, he looks stiff and uncomfortable most of the time, with no flow to his game. It's like he's trying to do everything by the book and must keep reminding himself what to do on each shot. If you're in your head too much you will never be a top player, plain and simple. The best pool pool is played almost unconsciously. He has an inner intensity that only creates more pressure for himself on every shot. He spends way too much time studying obvious shots, where we (and he) know what he's going to do within seconds, and yet he walks around looking at this simple shot from every angle. Weak sauce I'm afraid. The last rack is case in point. A very simple position shot from the two to the three ball and he studies it for about a minute??? And then he bunts the cue ball and leaves himself a full diamond short on position. He does make the three but shoots into nowhere with the cue ball and now has to play safe on the four. Match over after that.

Tyler needs a mental coach.
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Excellent analysis. I agree, Jeremy plays strong and has good potential if he continues to put in the work. I enjoyed watching him play far more than Styer.

Tyler may need a vacation/reset on his whole style of playing. He seems constantly stressed at the table. Which is weird because before the MC, I've seen videos of him running racks and racks very comfortably, putting together packages, although still slow as a snail.

It's very concerning watching him get down on the shot and fidget every part of his body until it feels right, then gets back up, gets down, tinkers with some other fundamental, and finally shoots. I can't think of any other great players that do that. I'm talking about the second-guessing themselves on every aspect of the game.

You either got that killer instinct or you don't.

He may need to spend 6 months in the Phillipines lol.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
You're saying Bergman might play better than Shane after the break? In what universe? Ultimate Pool?
Cause it can't be 9/10ball on a 9ft table.

Idk man, Styer (791) just recently lost to (739) Jeremy Long 6-11 in a Matchroom 9Ball tournament.

If you're having a hard time falling asleep, I highly recommend watching Styer's pace around the table. Count how long each of his innings take without a shot clock in effect. It's excruciating and to me displays a lack of confidence.

Seems like he's having trouble shaking off those "flukes". Hopefully he can bounce back, but this is not the type of player that would thrive in the MC. He needs to speed up his game...A LOT. For himself, and for fans that like to watch pool.

At least I'll give credit to Bergman because he still thrives at Ultimate Pool with a short shot clock by speeding up his game.

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I bet you're the type of guy that thinks FR isnt the same on a BB or a 9'

Any time you want to bet on the match up let me know 5k- 10k should be enough

I would agree that I get zero enjoyment watching Tyler play
 
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jasonlaus said:
I bet you're the type of guy that thinks FR isnt the same on a BB or a 9'

Any time you want to bet on the match up let me know 5k- 10k should be enough

I would agree that I get zero enjoyment watching Tyler play
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So you're saying a 600 FR who strictly only plays on 7ft tables is the same speed as a true 600 FR who strictly plays on 9ft tables?

I have lost way more to weaker players than me on a barbox than I have ever lost to weaker players on a 9ft Diamond.

It is an equalizer.

A 550 who got their robustness up by only playing 7ft tournaments with 5" pockets, will absolutely not perform like a 550 on a 9ft table with 4.5" pockets. But since these stats don't get tracked, we will never know.

If you disagree then you've probably played on BB a majority of your pool life and feel attacked for some reason.

I've seen tons of 500-600 players shoot great on 7ft'ers playing 8ball race to 3 all their life and dog their brains out on the 9ft playing 9ball. Maybe I'm blind or I imagined that.
 
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jay helfert said:
I just watched parts of the above match. A lot to take in here. Neither player is particularly impressive and would be big underdogs to any good player. Believe it or not Jeremy has more upside to his game. He looks like a guy with a job and family that also likes to play pool. If he could devote himself to the game full time he might be an 800 level player. But I doubt that's what his goal is. He's a two hour a day player who can beat most of the local players where he lives. You tell me if I'm wrong. I like the way he comfortably got out in the last rack with no fuss and no strain, and no wasted motion!

As for Tyler, he looks stiff and uncomfortable most of the time, with no flow to his game. It's like he's trying to do everything by the book and must keep reminding himself what to do on each shot. If you're in your head too much you will never be a top player, plain and simple. The best pool pool is played almost unconsciously. He has an inner intensity that only creates more pressure for himself on every shot. He spends way too much time studying obvious shots, where we (and he) know what he's going to do within seconds, and yet he walks around looking at this simple shot from every angle. Weak sauce I'm afraid. The last rack is case in point. A very simple position shot from the two to the three ball and he studies it for about a minute??? And then he bunts the cue ball and leaves himself a full diamond short on position. He does make the three but shoots into nowhere with the cue ball and now has to play safe on the four. Match over after that.

Tyler needs a mental coach.
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Your observations are on point, very astute although kinder than I would be regarding Tyler. Tyler reminds me of a player that turned into a coach, a coach he’s spent some time with, Mark Wilson.

Mark, as you know, once played pro pool for a short period of time, emphasis on the word played as he never won a damn thing, for the same reason Tyler never does, lack of heart. He played slow, unless he had absolute perfect position, he’d look to duck and play a safety. I saw him shoot over .900 in a match once and his opponent shot a lower percentage and won the match.

Some guys, while through hard work and dedication actually develop a skill set to where they have all the tools to play at an elite level, but they lack heart, they have a ten cent head and never reach their full potential. Tyler doesn’t need a mental coach, he needs a heart transplant. Or he could do what he’ll eventually do, just become an instructor. Some guys just can’t compete, they just don’t have it in them.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
So you're saying a 600 FR who strictly only plays on 7ft tables is the same speed as a true 600 FR who strictly plays on 9ft tables?

I have lost way more to weaker players than me on a barbox than I have ever lost to weaker players on a 9ft Diamond.

It is an equalizer.

A 550 who got their robustness up by only playing 7ft tournaments with 5" pockets, will absolutely not perform like a 550 on a 9ft table with 4.5" pockets. But since these stats don't get tracked, we will never know.

If you disagree then you've probably played on BB a majority of your pool life and feel attacked for some reason.

I've seen tons of 500-600 players shoot great on 7ft'ers playing 8ball race to 3 all their life and dog their brains out on the 9ft playing 9ball. Maybe I'm blind or I imagined that.
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you'll get the infallibility retort from mike, but i think you're right. consider this: it's a slightly different game, because the size is a differentiator. now add another differentiator, say rounded pockets, and you have english barboxes. add them into the system. is it the rating still true between someone playing all 8b on english barboxes and someone playing all 9ft and rotation? why not add chinese tables too? heyball. i don't buy the argument, but if it were true, adding these slightly different tables and games shouldnt matter. but i think every differentiator matters, although not radically.
 
The break is important, but let's not forget a certain guy who had a bad 9-ball break, and now has his own cup named after him, and that the Europeans lost to team Asia when they were there.
 
We are at the same place as we were 20 years ago, and 15 years ago, and 10 years ago, and 5 years ago. No kids coming up to take the place of Shane. Fedor was a transplant. No one had been close to Shane level, and Shane burst on the scene in 2007. That’s 23 years of exactly 1 world class player produced in the USA.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
So you're saying a 600 FR who strictly only plays on 7ft tables is the same speed as a true 600 FR who strictly plays on 9ft tables?

I have lost way more to weaker players than me on a barbox than I have ever lost to weaker players on a 9ft Diamond.

It is an equalizer.

A 550 who got their robustness up by only playing 7ft tournaments with 5" pockets, will absolutely not perform like a 550 on a 9ft table with 4.5" pockets. But since these stats don't get tracked, we will never know.

If you disagree then you've probably played on BB a majority of your pool life and feel attacked for some reason.

I've seen tons of 500-600 players shoot great on 7ft'ers playing 8ball race to 3 all their life and dog their brains out on the 9ft playing 9ball. Maybe I'm blind or I imagined that.
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You have no idea what you're talking about.

There have been so many examples given but you go ahead and deny math all you want
 
Kris_b1104 said:
So you're saying a 600 FR who strictly only plays on 7ft tables is the same speed as a true 600 FR who strictly plays on 9ft tables?

I have lost way more to weaker players than me on a barbox than I have ever lost to weaker players on a 9ft Diamond.

It is an equalizer.

A 550 who got their robustness up by only playing 7ft tournaments with 5" pockets, will absolutely not perform like a 550 on a 9ft table with 4.5" pockets. But since these stats don't get tracked, we will never know.

If you disagree then you've probably played on BB a majority of your pool life and feel attacked for some reason.

I've seen tons of 500-600 players shoot great on 7ft'ers playing 8ball race to 3 all their life and dog their brains out on the 9ft playing 9ball. Maybe I'm blind or I imagined that.
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My home table was a 10' with 4 1/8 pockets, try again. Grew up playing on 9'
 
skogstokig said:
you'll get the infallibility retort from mike, but i think you're right. consider this: it's a slightly different game, because the size is a differentiator. now add another differentiator, say rounded pockets, and you have english barboxes. add them into the system. is it the rating still true between someone playing all 8b on english barboxes and someone playing all 9ft and rotation? why not add chinese tables too? heyball. i don't buy the argument, but if it were true, adding these slightly different tables and games shouldnt matter. but i think every differentiator matters, although not radically.
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Are they gonna play under water too?
 
jasonlaus said:
My home table was a 10' with 4 1/8 pockets, try again. Grew up playing on 9'
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That's great.

So let's say you have to play an opponent on your home table who is the exact same FR as you, but they've never played on anything besides 7 footers to achieve their Fargo rate.

Do you think he will perform the same as you on that 10' table?

All I'm saying is you would win a majority of the time, despite him being the same "skill level" as you number wise.

A 600 barbox-only player would play like a 550 on a 9ft diamond, or a little less under his 600 speed. Because in all actuality if you want to be technical, he's never shot as a 600 on a bigger table.

If you can provide me some examples that would be cool. I like math.

We just don't have the statistics.

This argument is only referring to people who have high Fargorates from playing in leagues or tournaments that are only 7ft tables, in very short races.

If you're saying it would be a dead even match, I can't see how that is possible.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
That's great.

So let's say you have to play an opponent on your home table who is the exact same FR as you, but they've never played on anything besides 7 footers to achieve their Fargo rate.

Do you think he will perform the same as you on that 10' table?

All I'm saying is you would win a majority of the time, despite him being the same "skill level" as you number wise.

A 600 barbox-only player would play like a 550 on a 9ft diamond, or a little less under his 600 speed. Because in all actuality if you want to be technical, he's never shot as a 600 on a bigger table.

If you can provide me some examples that would be cool. I like math.

We just don't have the statistics.

This argument is only referring to people who have high Fargorates from playing in leagues or tournaments that are only 7ft tables, in very short races.

If you're saying it would be a dead even match, I can't see how that is possible.
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You have no idea how fargo works.

We 100% have the "stats"
 
Kris_b1104 said:
If you say so, I guess it must be true.

Why is it so hard to answer a hypothetical question?
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Ask Mike. This has been gone over so many times its unbelievable how many people just keep denying it. You don't know how fargo works, I would recommend learning that first
 
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