Do you think this wa the right shot? (UK Open, Moritz Neuhausen)

Oikawa

Oikawa

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I personally don't see the point in going multiple rails, too risky to sell out. A more conservative safe with a thin, direct hit seems to have a better average result. Lots of options there with different speeds/spins, many of them will avoid completely selling out to an easy shot.
 
Eh. You're going to pop out the purple ball and send the cue ball down table, leaving the same shot to the corner. At least with the multi-rail show you could push the purple up against the brown if you hit it right.

More interesting was Tyler going behind-the-back to set up the money shot. Pretty ballsy in that situation. But he did send Moritz packing.
 
loggerhead12 said:
Eh. You're going to pop out the purple ball and send the cue ball down table, leaving the same shot to the corner. At least with the multi-rail show you could push the purple up against the brown if you hit it right.

More interesting was Tyler going behind-the-back to set up the money shot. Pretty ballsy in that situation. But he did send Moritz packing.
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I'd probably have tried something like this. Would have to be there to see the exact positions + know the table conditions etc, but seems like it should work. Even if the cue ball leaks out, leaving the purple ball against the end rail ensures no easy shot for the opponent.

If it feels like a double hit is gonna happen with the cb+purple, then that complicates things, might be avoidable with side though. Again, would have to be there on the table to feel out whether a double hit would happen or not. From the image, to me it looks like you can avoid it, if you hit it thin enough like in my drawing.

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My main issue with what Moritz did is that even if it gives a great safety some of the time, the % of sell-out is way too high. Not worth the risk at all. And this all leads me to wonder what he sees that I don't, because there's no way he would play that shot if there wasn't something that I don't see. Only other explanation I can think of is frustration/laziness, which I highly doubt for such a situation.
 
I think he could see enough of the ball to bank it cross corner and go three rails with outside to end behind the 6 if the 5 had hung. It's a very standard shot at one pocket. Maybe, in his defense, he felt that the cross-corner was not possible because of conditions.
 
Oikawa said:
I'd probably have tried something like this. Would have to be there to see the exact positions + know the table conditions etc, but seems like it should work. Even if the cue ball leaks out, leaving the purple ball against the end rail ensures no easy shot for the opponent.

If it feels like a double hit is gonna happen with the cb+purple, then that complicates things, might be avoidable with side though. Again, would have to be there on the table to feel out whether a double hit would happen or not. From the image, to me it looks like you can avoid it, if you hit it thin enough like in my drawing.

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My main issue with what Moritz did is that even if it gives a great safety some of the time, the % of sell-out is way too high. Not worth the risk at all. And this all leads me to wonder what he sees that I don't, because there's no way he would play that shot if there wasn't something that I don't see. Only other explanation I can think of is frustration/laziness, which I highly doubt for such a situation.
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I also would have shot the route pictured here.

However, I do see that he thought with a perfect hit and the speed he had, he could have trapped it against the rail and the other object ball.

Double however... even if he executed the shot as he planned, I think he was going to get a return safety that he wasn't going to love.
 
Oikawa said:
I'd probably have tried something like this. Would have to be there to see the exact positions + know the table conditions etc, but seems like it should work. Even if the cue ball leaks out, leaving the purple ball against the end rail ensures no easy shot for the opponent.

If it feels like a double hit is gonna happen with the cb+purple, then that complicates things, might be avoidable with side though. Again, would have to be there on the table to feel out whether a double hit would happen or not. From the image, to me it looks like you can avoid it, if you hit it thin enough like in my drawing.

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My main issue with what Moritz did is that even if it gives a great safety some of the time, the % of sell-out is way too high. Not worth the risk at all. And this all leads me to wonder what he sees that I don't, because there's no way he would play that shot if there wasn't something that I don't see. Only other explanation I can think of is frustration/laziness, which I highly doubt for such a situation.
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yes, and the db kiss is probably why he shot that way but the one pocket way is to load up with left to avoid it and go short-long-long with cb. ob can go in or end up on short rail, he'll have distance and possibly cover
 
Maniac said:
I'm never going to second guess a top tier pro. Any way he played it COULD have sold out. JMO
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Yes, Neuhausen is a pro, which is precisely why I made the thread, to perhaps learn something new about the reason he selected that shot. "Any way he played it could have sold out" is quite a blank statement, every shot has percentages attached to it and understanding them improves your game.
 
Even the pros have to make choices. Mistakes are sometimes made. I've seen literally hundreds of shots played improperly over my many years of watching. They usually opt for the shot they think they have the best chance of successfully completing. I've heard many a commentator question a player's choice of shots right on up to some of the world's best players. I don't like to hear it. You'd have to be in their "moment" to fully understand why they make the choices they do.

I wonder if anyone posting on this thread has ever played a shot the wrong way? And if so, did the general public scrutinize the sh*t out of it?
 
Maniac said:
Even the pros have to make choices. Mistakes are sometimes made. I've seen literally hundreds of shots played improperly over my many years of watching. They usually opt for the shot they think they have the best chance of successfully completing. I've heard many a commentator question a player's choice of shots right on up to some of the world's best players. I don't like to hear it. You'd have to be in their "moment" to fully understand why they make the choices they do.

I wonder if anyone posting on this thread has ever played a shot the wrong way? And if so, did the general public scrutinize the sh*t out of it?
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I guess I don't see anyone "scrutinizing the sh*t" out of this play, or insulting him, or anything of that nature.

It is professional sports. Fans analyze the decisions and execution of professional athletes all the time.

I'd imagine we could sit down with Neuhausen today and say, "You took a route on that shot that we didn't foresee. We thought you would go this way, but you didn't. Can you walk us through that shot?" and I bet he would give an honest, thoughtful answer. He might stick by his guns. He might say that he would do it differently if he could. He might say he's been working on that shot a lot to expand his options.

I don't think he would be offended.

HOWEVER, I agree that commentators scrutinizing every shot can be fatiguing. Sometimes I think they use the commentary booth to show off their knowledge, or their "greatness" too much. Analyzing one shot, or one choice, or one route? Yeah, I get that. Again, it is professional sports. But acting like a pro gets A LOT wrong is annoying, to me.
 
At what time is the shot you were referring to?
The link does not open to the shot for me
 
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