Time and effort required to reach Fargo 400, 500, 600

These numbers sound about right to me. There are a couple young men here in Oregon who work hard and put in the time that have been playing around 5 years total. One is a 619 the other a 639 and both were in the 500s within 12-18 months of picking up a cue.

The ceiling is the thing. Starting in your 20s sadly is a bit late to ever be more than this without the natural talent few have. Neither one of these will ever likely be 700 players. Maybe not even 650.
Well, have we met? We did play one event down there on the coast. 🤔
That outline pretty much covers my Bio. Started similar and attained 620 to 630. Now at uh 74.625 my number is so low I don't look it up anymore. 😉
 

Alternatively, you could buy a good home table for $3500 and be ahead after the first year.

If you already have the room to put the table and it isn't being used for anything else. If you have to add on and build the simplest of structures for a table, you need a bare minimum of 300sf and would be hard pressed to get it done for under $20k.
 
He said when he's behind he plays like a lion and when he's ahead, he plays like a lamb. Logic being, there's no good reason to risk squandering a lead.
Also, why play your full speed?
When you can keep the fi$h on the line and come back.

When I moved to Los Angeles 1976 and started my roadwork, wanting to see how good I could get, even tho in 1990 my game was at the top, I improved Every two weeks over a period of two yrs.
I had my usual route to pool rooms I'd visit/match up with certain players.
There were approx ten pool rooms..... and a couple after night places where McCready would be at.
I won every time I came back to play the same action.
After about 3 times thru they wanted a spot, which I now could do.
As it turned out, I got about ten trips to each pool room and won every time before I killed my action.
This was during my Strickland Encounter 1979.
Roadwork is KEY for a player that can play, to win especially when you lock up the money and may have to play 10-16 hrs straight.

bm
 
The limits a person puts on themselves is HUGE!
I don't think I am a number.
Well not the one I had in mind. Perhaps a better one though. 🤷‍♂️
 
After the fact is when the numbers matter.
Dan Louie produced the most incredible come from behind victory in the Oregon Coast BCAPL event. I think it was a race to 7 and Dan got a shot at 6-0 because his opponent showboated the case 9 ball for game set match. Dan won that set and the second as well. 🤷‍♂️ Never Give Up....
 
Also, why play your full speed?
When you can keep the fi$h on the line and come back.

When I moved to Los Angeles 1976 and started my roadwork, wanting to see how good I could get, even tho in 1990 my game was at the top, I improved Every two weeks over a period of two yrs.
I had my usual route to pool rooms I'd visit/match up with certain players.
There were approx ten pool rooms..... and a couple after night places where McCready would be at.
I won every time I came back to play the same action.
After about 3 times thru they wanted a spot, which I now could do.
As it turned out, I got about ten trips to each pool room and won every time before I killed my action.
This was during my Strickland Encounter 1979.
Roadwork is KEY for a player that can play, to win especially when you lock up the money and may have to play 10-16 hrs straight.

bm
Pool betting is indeed a process to the pro player. To us mortals, it can only be a struggle or stealing.
 
Nor does it factor natural ability.

I'd argue that regardless of effort and coaching, a significant % of the population is simply incapable of playing at a 500+ level. Far less at a 600 level...
I've been playing since 1961 and have seen 100's and 100's of players.
Almost without exception a player reaches a certain level and stays there for life.
 
Well, have we met? We did play one event down there on the coast. 🤔
That outline pretty much covers my Bio. Started similar and attained 620 to 630. Now at uh 74.625 my number is so low I don't look it up anymore. 😉
I don't recall meeting and pretty sure we've never played each other even though we have been to events at the same time.

Very likely we have numerous common opponents though.
 
I don’t know about this. I think getting to 500 is doable for most if you put in time and effort. Getting to 600 is a little harder, but having natural talent helps.
 
Very likely we have numerous common opponents though.
🤔 got me thinking now. Back in the day I was playing in the Seattle Tacoma area. The east side of Seattle, Bellevue was a base for a couple of years. The White Spot er uh Right Spot in Fife was when I encountered Oregon players. Tacoma is where I started playing.
Kenny Dodd is of course my first Oregon player to pop up in my brain. 😉
 
🤔 got me thinking now. Back in the day I was playing in the Seattle Tacoma area. The east side of Seattle, Bellevue was a base for a couple of years. The White Spot er uh Right Spot in Fife was when I encountered Oregon players. Tacoma is where I started playing.
Kenny Dodd is of course my first Oregon player to pop up in my brain. 😉
I have faced Kenny multiple times. Tough action. Don't let his wife sleeping in her chair fool you!
 
2012 and 2015 were the years I won the well here's the thousand words pictures. Wink
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Then 4th in the A devision got me graduating to Masters devision. My Fargo never exceeded 630.
 
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The biggest misconception with fargo and these lower levels. Is they think that playing pool has a big deal with this. But really the biggest gain of skill is "knowledge" is studying pool reading books etc.

A guy can wack balls all day and not get much better. Some book knowledge of why you do something and why you choose this route over this other one goes hand in hand.
 
I have faced Kenny multiple times. Tough action. Don't let his wife sleeping in her chair fool you!
Okay! So my only victory in the Masters 8 ball (in a significantly long race) was playing Kenny. So how does That translate to a number? I don't even recall what His number was at that time. He had just joined the Masters as they couldn't get a field for The Grand Master devision that he had populated for years. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Then 4th in the A devision got me graduating to Masters devision. My Fargo never exceeded 630.
7th-8th is the highest I ever finished in the Masters before Fargo. Got first place in Elite scotch 8 ball a couple years ago with my friend Russell Cearly from Eugene. Was a pretty good payday I think we went for a buck in the player auction and it was $3k along with around $4k for first place. Sadly I had to give Russ half and we had to split the Calcutta with Tony Bloom who bought us. :cry: As usual headed home brokish from LC. :ROFLMAO:
 
The biggest misconception with fargo and these lower levels. Is they think that playing pool has a big deal with this. But really the biggest gain of skill is "knowledge" is studying pool reading books etc.

A guy can wack balls all day and not get much better. Some book knowledge of why you do something and why you choose this route over this other one goes hand in hand.
I didn't get too interested in "knowledge" until my physical skills started diminishing. Wish I knew what I know now back when I could shoot straight. :ROFLMAO:
 
The biggest misconception with fargo and these lower levels. Is they think that playing pool has a big deal with this. But really the biggest gain of skill is "knowledge" is studying pool reading books etc.

A guy can wack balls all day and not get much better. Some book knowledge of why you do something and why you choose this route over this other one goes hand in hand.
A balance of books and practice and competition on the fields of friendly strife is my recipe. 🤷‍♂️
Of course books should be Study including books.
I studied the top players at every opportunity. Dan Louie was the Northwet Champion that I paid real close attention when he was playing.
I did get to study Efren on his first visit way back in , uh was it 84 or 85?
My practice was similar to the practice regimen I learned playing baseball and football. Different routines depending on the conditions. My preparation was a big factor in good performance in big events.
NO Gambling the last week before a big event was one rule. Getting there early enough to get an hour on the equipment was another.
My Fargo number reflects my performance when walking in cold to small tournaments with untested equipment and conditions. 🤷‍♂️
 
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