Golden nineball

Jaden

Jaden

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I'm watching the Malaysian open for golden nineball which are played on heyball tables. I don't necessarily like the tables and the cloth, but I really like the scoring aspect. mini gold racks give you 7 points (nineball on the break) Big gold racks give you 10 points (BNR). Regular win gives you 4 points and an opponent scratch from a safety, not sure on just a regular scratch, gives you one point.

You play a set number of frames and whoever has the most points at the end of the frames wins.

I really like that. You're rewarded for breaking and running out more than anything. You're rewarded for a golden break but not at the same level as a bnr. You're rewarded for good safety play, etc.
 
Your opponent could win 2 games and hook you to a foul so he has 9 points. You make one bnr and you're back in the lead. Now that wouldn't be possible because to have the break you'd have to win a game, so you would have to at the least get 4 points for winning and then a break and run, so 14 points.
 
A table run from the 1b out is also 7 points. And in the big events it also brings out a model to walk around the table with a 7 point sign.

Certainly a dry break followed by a run out is 7 points. I believe a wet break where the one is still on the table but the breaker misses the one and you run out is still 7 points (but not if he had made the 1 on the break and you start on the 2).
 
Yeah I just garnered what I could of the system from watching...I still think it'd be cool to incorporate that system on our tables. Although I think the match should be considered over as soon as a point value that can't be reached by the opponent is achieved.
 
I'll also say this, if there were a fargo rate type system configured based on this point system, it would be a hell of a lot more accurate than the current one that relies only on games won.
 
Jaden said:
I'm watching the Malaysian open for golden nineball which are played on heyball tables. I don't necessarily like the tables and the cloth, but I really like the scoring aspect. mini gold racks give you 7 points (nineball on the break) Big gold racks give you 10 points (BNR). Regular win gives you 4 points and an opponent scratch from a safety, not sure on just a regular scratch, gives you one point.

You play a set number of frames and whoever has the most points at the end of the frames wins.

I really like that. You're rewarded for breaking and running out more than anything. You're rewarded for a golden break but not at the same level as a bnr. You're rewarded for good safety play, etc.
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It’s a completely different game than 9ball but I do like it as well.
I think that a point system is the best way to handicap 9ball for amateur pool
 
Yeah I never understood the full differentiation between the 4pt and 7pt victories. I couldn't find it online, either.

Inferring from this thread, if player A breaks, makes a ball other than the 1, misses, and player B runs out then B gets 7 points? But if A breaks, makes the 1 only, misses, and B runs out, now B only gets 4?

What if A breaks and makes five balls, but not the 1, then misses? Would B get 7 points if he runs out?
 
Break and run = 10 pt.
Run out (from the 1) = 7 pt.
Regular win = 4 pt.
Foul by opponent = 1 pt.
 
sounds great,

but can you keep track of the score with a pencil and paper or do you have to write a computer program.
 
maha said:
sounds great,

but can you keep track of the score with a pencil and paper or do you have to write a computer program.
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The major tournaments all have a referee entering something onto a computer, which does the math for them, I assume.

I don’t see why you couldn’t use a pencil and paper, assuming you are old enough to know how to do math without using a calculator.

As I understand it from a Chinese friend, the game actually originated as a gambling game, and was only later adapted as a tournament game with slightly different rules, but I believe the same scoring, so I assume they didn’t have a program when they were just gambling. I believe in the gambling version, the bet is by the point, so the more break and runs you have, and the more lopsided the victory, the better. I also believe that in the gambling version, safeties are not permitted - I think if your inning ends and your opponent doesn’t have a clear shot he can make you shoot again.
 
Rules here: https://alison-chang.com/duya-legends-tour-golden-nine-standard-rules/

The Ko brothers explain the rules here:
The youtube autodub to english worked great for me. This is the second thread in a row I've put one of their videos up, I should be on commision.

The key thing is you are eligible for 7pts if the 1 is on the table. So in the unlikely event of a player breaking and making the 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 but not the 1 then their inning ending, you can pot the 1 7 8 9 for 7pts. Or you can do a 1-9 combo etc.

Another weird thing is if you want to get 10pts, you have to pot the 9 after all the other balls on it's own. So if you break, make a ball, then pot the 1-9 as a combo. that's just 7pts.

You get 1pt if your opponent fouls. The 3 foul rule works differently- the fouls don't have to be consecutive. If you opponent fouls 3 times in a rack you win. But you get 1pt for the first foul, 1 for the second then 2 (making the 4 in total) for the 3rd and the rack ends.
 
Jaden said:
Yeah I just garnered what I could of the system from watching...I still think it'd be cool to incorporate that system on our tables. Although I think the match should be considered over as soon as a point value that can't be reached by the opponent is achieved.
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the game does end as soon as it's mathematically impossible for the loser to catch up when I've been watching.
 
Unless I'm missing something, the point system would make it practical to play (non-gambling) matches with more than two players.
 
superskippy said:
the game does end as soon as it's mathematically impossible for the loser to catch up when I've been watching.
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Yeah I saw a match with little KO where he was up 69-32 and still playing I don't think there were more than 4 games left to play at that point but I could be wrong
 
Jaden said:
I'm watching the Malaysian open for golden nineball which are played on heyball tables. I don't necessarily like the tables and the cloth, but I really like the scoring aspect. mini gold racks give you 7 points (nineball on the break) Big gold racks give you 10 points (BNR). Regular win gives you 4 points and an opponent scratch from a safety, not sure on just a regular scratch, gives you one point.

You play a set number of frames and whoever has the most points at the end of the frames wins.

I really like that. You're rewarded for breaking and running out more than anything. You're rewarded for a golden break but not at the same level as a bnr. You're rewarded for good safety play, etc.
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Duya tables are different from "heyball" tables. The pockets are more generous in their cut. The points system is essentially the same as the common gambling ring game "Zhui fen"
 
I watched a good portion of the Wu 1MM USD final a couple months ago. It was an interesting format.

I don't think it would fly in the USA (on American style tables). Too complicated to keep score.

If we want to reward players on pocketed balls, just play straight pool. Super easy to keep score, and the rules are dirt simple.
 
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