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Savannah “The RoadRunner” Easton using a wood shaft?
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What scientific tests prove cf shafts deflect less than say a z3? Does the diameter matter?
Sponsorship is why most pro play with whatever they are playing with, often they have them modified also.
Why would power matter? If anything the break has gotten slower over time. And more power only matters if you can control it.
More power on a non break shot is confusing. How often would an extra power be needed over a conventional shaft? Never. Especially when 99% of amateur pool is contested on a 7 foot table.
Does every cf shaft of the same make and model really play the same? Is there a way to prove that?
Tests that were made by the company that produce and sell the Z3
today, most cue manufacturers offer LD CF shafts so most players don't need to look for a different shaft, things were different when Predator were the only ones offering good wooden LD shafts and again, many pros used those shafts (openly or in secret)
powers mater when you play on a shitty bar box at your local bar with bad cloth and dirty cheap balls that don't run.... it's actually more important for the amateur that has a shitty stroke playing on bad conditions than it is for a pro who plays on top notch conditions and have great stroke. But for a pro that plays 8-12 hours, more power, means less effort = can play more hours at the same high speed.
But let's just call it a byproduct of CF that doesn't really mater... or maybe one should learn to utilize a tool ability.
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do your own tests
of course there is a way to prove it, but since you believe that it's all a lie to make you spend more money, just stick to a house cue
I've played with several.
I never hit some balls with a CF shaft and thought wow! This has way more power or more spin or less deflection. I don't think they play bad in any way. They play just fine but not significantly different from wood ld shafts in my experience.
they only have less deflection because they are lighter in the front of the shaft. thats it.
and if you learn good position you will not be using much of any side english playing. so defection wont be an issue.
some may draw better because most have thinner shafts and they are less afraid of hitting lower on the cue ball.
they do not add power, and do not give more spin or anything to the cue ball a similar everything wood shaft would do.
most top pros use them mainly because they are paid to and or get free equipment and expenses.
others follow like sheep.
in golf, its drive for show, and putt for dough.
in pool, its lots of spin little you win, and centerline of cue ball gets it all.
and if you learn good position you will not be using much of any side english playing. so defection wont be an issue.
some may draw better because most have thinner shafts and they are less afraid of hitting lower on the cue ball.
they do not add power, and do not give more spin or anything to the cue ball a similar everything wood shaft would do.
most top pros use them mainly because they are paid to and or get free equipment and expenses.
others follow like sheep.
in golf, its drive for show, and putt for dough.
in pool, its lots of spin little you win, and centerline of cue ball gets it all.
If people are out there reviewing video of their practice or competition and saying to themselves....man, if I only had more power/ spin, less deflection I would play so much better...hit me up, I'll take an oz of whatever you're smoking
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You are correct if you believe it gives you more power, it doesn't, what it does is transfer the energy of YOUR STROKE more efficiently than MOST wood shafts, sre there wood shafts that transfer your power as efficiently as a CF shaft? Absolutely, the problem is they are not as consistent as a CF shaft, especially ones designed for it,not all CF shafts are created equal, cheap CF = cheap quality, Becue cues are not only CF shafts but CF butts as well, the whole cue is designed to transfer the power of YOUR stroke, the better your stroke the better your cue preforms, wood or CF, there is a reason pro golfers and tennis players use CF, it is simply a tool that performs better, choose your weapon wisely......
its lighter weight so it can be hurled faster at its object. that does not mean more power, only speed. which an equally lesser weighted wood cue would do.
and in tennis and golf speed back at the player or for distance is a big asset. in pool speed is only for breaking or getting position.
speed imparts more energy than weight. but in pool control is more important and extra imparted speed is used very little.
and that extra speed makes control less likely.
and an equal weighted wood cue will send the same speed to a cue ball as a c.f would. your arm doesnt know what it is throwing.
in any case what works for you, is what is best for you.
and in tennis and golf speed back at the player or for distance is a big asset. in pool speed is only for breaking or getting position.
speed imparts more energy than weight. but in pool control is more important and extra imparted speed is used very little.
and that extra speed makes control less likely.
and an equal weighted wood cue will send the same speed to a cue ball as a c.f would. your arm doesnt know what it is throwing.
in any case what works for you, is what is best for you.
Same stroke different efficiency with the Becue, it's not just the shaft, the whole cue is designed to be more efficient with the same stroke, as my stroke improves I find myself needing to take speed/power away from my stroke to achieve the same power, Becue cues are simply cues that transfer YOUR power more efficiently....
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No doubt, I can switch between my 2 CF playing shafts and make zero adjustments, use the same tips and I no longer have a"favorite" shaft. I have 2 shafts that play identical, or so close I can't tell one from the other, consistency, a quality that makes me love Becue.
I started playing with a Becue last February. I immediately took a nose dive.
In my mid 60's and have a collection of 180 wooden pool cues and most get played.
My eyesight and cognitive skills are sliding, my desire has never faded.
I have stayed with the Becue and at last I have it dialed. For me the touch shots have been the hardest, safeties and one pocket were very difficult to play compared to my other cues.
My opinion is the cue makes the cue ball more lively, I have adjusted and am starting to play very well again.
The amount of spin that it seems to generate was the problem. Once I figured out to use less stroke, I not only started making more balls but my positional shape improved. Less effort to get the same results. Less effort for myself kept me steady with less body movement.
In my mid 60's and have a collection of 180 wooden pool cues and most get played.
My eyesight and cognitive skills are sliding, my desire has never faded.
I have stayed with the Becue and at last I have it dialed. For me the touch shots have been the hardest, safeties and one pocket were very difficult to play compared to my other cues.
My opinion is the cue makes the cue ball more lively, I have adjusted and am starting to play very well again.
The amount of spin that it seems to generate was the problem. Once I figured out to use less stroke, I not only started making more balls but my positional shape improved. Less effort to get the same results. Less effort for myself kept me steady with less body movement.
That’s what I say lol I like the revo hit. If I didn’t I wouldn’t play with it. cf has a different feel then wood. If you like that different feel play with it. If you don’t .. keep playing with wood. Lol it’s really that simple
Out of all the ones I've played with I thought the revo 12.9 had the closest feel to a regular wood shaft. Especially if you switch out that victory tip or whatever they come with.
This is like a broken record
I’ve answered these points many times before, probably in this thread as well.
Bottom line, you are wrong
Ultimate Pool league tracks BnR, and "loss of rack " (e.g., hitting the 8b in out of turn). Both those do require player/tracker to note them properly, however, which, in my experience, only happens half the time, if that. UPL also does not report to Fargo.
Regardless, there is no way CF should raise the level of play for any reason other than if effectively making more players play with LD shafts somehow has that effect.
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and where did you get that information ? Players play CF because it is superior to wood shaft. This is just evolution and some people are less than capable of adapting to change. That doesn't make wood shaft not good enough. You always adapt to your gear so with a shorter bridge, you can control deflection way more than a LD shaft can give you.
I have a beautiful Joss Cue with a maple shaft/ extra revo shaft and, a Cuetec SVB Cynergy and I can tell you without a doubt that I get more kinectic energy transfer and just more power in my stroke whenever I hit the ball with a CF Shaft. It does take time to adjust but once you do, I feel that I have more control over the cue ball.
Joshua said so himself.
He didn’t like the CF at first. But then Pia received a modified shaft that he liked and he got one as well, the rest is history.
All this sponsorship BS is completely wrong.
Every cue manufacturer that makes CF shafts and gives sponsorships to players also produces wood shafts and the sponsored players have the option.
Carlo Biado (Predator) plays with Vantage wood
Kaci (Predator) plays with 314 wood shaft
Skyler Woodeard (CueTec) plays with Avid wood shaft
Billy Thorpe (Meucci) plays with wood, same for Corey Deuel. Tyler Styer said that he plays with wood because the Meucci CF is not good but lately he’s been using a Meucci CF prototype. He said wood moves and for traveling CF is better.
Rubilen Amit and Sha Sha Liu (both Predator) plays with wood.
Han Yu (Universal) plays with wood. Yepp (also Universal) played with wood until they made a new CF for him.
Savannah Easton (Lucasi) tried their new CF and went back to wood.
And list can go on… all sponsored players, all play with what works for them and not what they are told to play with