The shot I’m referring to is usually after someone scratches and two balls get frozen to the spot. You hit the top ball with a lot of draw at an angle to transfer follow to that ball and it goes towards their pocket, and IIRC the second ball goes a few rails towards their pocket as well. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone shoot this shot in recent memory. I think the last time I saw someone shoot it was Efren some years ago. Is the shot considered not reliable and has a potential to sell out?
Do the top one pocket players almost never shoot that spin transfer shot when there are two balls frozen on the spot?
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That depends on the player and the equipment. If you can draw the cue ball straight back, and you know where to place the cue ball, and you know the speed that will both make the front ball and leave the back ball within a diamond of your pocket, and the balls are sticky enough to twist the back ball over enough, then it is the correct shot. Maybe depending on the positions of the other balls, if any.
If you know the adjustments, you can place the cue ball in a slightly different position on the head string and leave the cue ball other places than straight back.
I should consider the equipment more. I usually play with very clean balls and tables and the shot does seem a bit tougher there.
As a banger I usually shoot it anyway.
Less often if they're not the last two.I do see pros hit it once in a while, but usually they don't.
Yes, a lot of them pass on the shot, but I think it's the right shot for any pro who can shoot a straight back draw shot from four diamonds away. Of course, if you hit it mediocre, it can lose, especially if you get a kiss. Also, you have to be sure the balls are spotted correctly.
They're highly trained by the rail muttering, "showoff", "showboat", "hot dog" etc...
My advice if you learn it, shoot it. If you lose money, stop.
Me, I'd rather shoot stuff.
My advice if you learn it, shoot it. If you lose money, stop.
Me, I'd rather shoot stuff.
Amen brother!!They're highly trained by the rail muttering, "showoff", "showboat", "hot dog" etc...
My advice if you learn it, shoot it. If you lose money, stop.
Me, I'd rather shoot stuff.
If you put my one pocket knowledge in a tincan it would rattle like a BB in a Boxcar. That being said, what small amount I've played the game, I was shown a 2nd ball break.Amen brother!!
Back then it's the only break shot I saw players use. The chances of making a ball in your pocket on the break are 1 in 5.
The only breaks I see today are first ball/second ball. Breathe on the head ball and hit the 2nd ball fairly full. Is there a reason why this has changed?? Is the first,/second a better break?? If so, why??
I got good results with the 2nd ball only break. Perhaps this is a regional thing??
Speaking of rather shoot stuff, if you're suicidal, you can cut the middle ball down the side as if to your pocket and the delta ball opposite it, goes. You have my word.
The big tournaments and lots of players modified the break rules. Ball on the break = re-rack and break again.
Hitting the head ball thin gives better results in my experience. Less leakage (to opponent's side), and better cue ball.
I'll give that a poke.
Rerack and break again??
EEK.
Tells you where I've been. Nowhere near a tournament, that's for sure.
I think variations in equipment -- cloth and condition of the balls -- make reliable outcomes on this shot, well, unreliable.
I can only think of one guy that would always shoot it and he was pretty good at it. Everyone else is going to play the safe. If I'm feeling jiggy with it I'll occasionally shoot the back ball two rail bank with the CB going three rails... but I have to be in pretty good mood and already torturing the other guy.
Lou Figueroa
I remember that period where this shot showed up.
Question Bob.... If I remember correctly the shooter would place the cb slighly left of center for the draw position.
About six inches from the head spot and draw straight back. Or, on the head spot and hit just the right, slight cut.
There's a system that tells you how full to hit the front ball to drive it forward at the needed angle.
Here's a related shot. With two balls spotted, spot a third, but put it very slightly towards your opponent's pocket. The three balls must be frozen. Hit the front ball full and firm from up-table. Experiment to find the right "very slightly".
A lot of people here have mentioned that one should consider equipment and their opponent, and this is (of course) true. I think another factor is whether you are in a short race vs. a long gambling session.
For me, a race to three is almost like a race to shots that you can execute better than the other guy. If you execute this shot o.k., I am not offended at swinging away here. Especially, since you can set this shot up to practice it over and over.
kollegedave
I still like the old way, and most of the people I play go along with it.