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I am hoping this is a serious thread and not just another attempt to get an APA bashing thread going. However, IF i had the time and desire to run my own 20 team league, It would be an in house cash league with no handicaps. The only restriction I would have is that I would compile a list of...

Sherm, Just some thoughts. You and I have gone back and forth on a few threads regarding APA. I definitely respect your opinion and also the amount of time you have put into the gameas a player, bar and room owner. Your above post shows that you have has a long standing issue with the...

You are what is wrong with the APA. You claim that you have gone to Vegas every year since 2004 and that everyone sandbags. Well the truth is most likely that in your area a few teams have figured out that to compete with a cheater they have to become one. Obviously you are a cheater and your...

Cuesmith, I am very curious. Was this post to bring attention to Danny D or was it to take another cheap shot at the APA. If you were a new poster than I would not be sure what your intentions were but your history seems to show that you will take a cheap shot at APA members, League Operators...

That is awesome. Some green rep coming your way.

I have played in the APA many years (since 1994) . I have been to Vegas 3 times - 2 for 8-ball and 1 for 9-ball. My teams have played over 12matches there (fished 33rd once and 129th twice) and I have only seen 1 player that shot so far above their skill level that it made me even think twice...

I agree with the last part of your post that they could do more with the Nationals. They have an professional artistic pool tournament every year but nothing beyond that. i actually think that at one point they did do something (but I am not 100% sure of that). As for a list, I agree with what...

Thanks Scott. That is interesting information. It just goes to show that while we debate on-line whether they are succesful or not, they probably have a totally different perspective on things internally. leagueguy

You are basing your opinion of success on their initial reasoning to create a fan base for the profession game. I actually belive they have done that. When you factor in all league players, of which the APA is by far the largest, they have in fact built a fan base there are probably close to...

I thought I would throw my 2 cents in. Whether or not you call the APA a success is based on what, in your opinion, you think success means to you. As an ecoonomic entity and business, the APA provides 275 + jobs. 250 of those are L.O. and I would guess about 25-30 office staff jobs. It has...

My area is $8 per player or $40 per team and $60 for Double Jeopardy. We get pins for B & R,'s 8 Off Break and 9 On Snap, plus patches for Grand Slam, Beat a 7 or 9 and 20-0 9-ball win. In addition skill level 7 and 9's get a year dated patch as well. leagueguy

Assuming that you are correct and if I am using Marie's Husbans info, then the APA takes in 4.5 million and pays out 1.5 million for the National Championships. That leaves 3 mil to off set the costs of operating a league that requires 30 + staff, (I assume that is close) operating expenses...

Assuming your numbers are correct then you might have a point. That is assuming that your League Operator does not give out trophies or pins or placques or shirts or any of the other things that some leagues give out. Using your numbers and assuming an average divison size of 10 teams that is...

You really think so do ya? If the APA dies, hundreds, of bars and poolrooms that count on that clientelle might go out of business. Less people would be inclined to buy a home table, less people would be inclined to buy cues, balls, and other pool related items. Less work for table mechanics...

This is what is wrong with professional pool today. Here we have some of the top players in North America and they are playing an event that very few people have heard about. Why wasn't this being promoted, streamed or even talked about. Can anyone shed some light as to why this thing was kept...

I don't think it would be right to take money away from the grass roots players so that the top players can have a tour. If we really want to grow the professional game then we need to figure out how to make pool more mainstream and television friendly so that people will want to watch it. In...

With all the recent threads about gambling, leagues etc. it got me thinking. I play slo-pitch because I love the game. I don't play for any other reason. I play golf becuase I love the game, I don't play for any other reason. Therefore I was curious why azbilliards forum members play pool.

These are good for a laugh. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule2 Leagueguy

Sherm, Which of these teams are you referring to in my area that win "every year". My L.O. sent 3 8-ball and 1 9-ball teams to Vegas for this August and only 1 player on any of those teams had gone before (he went 4 years ago). We also sent 4 doubles teams and 1 masters team and ony 2 of...