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How much do you have to pay for patches in your league? 8 ball on break, rackless, etc... Is it free, $1, $2 or more??

In the one area of upstate NY the guy charges everyone $2 per patch and $11 per player for 8 ball. Someone is making out well.

I've been doing a lot of research trying to figure out what to buy. It's clear that the older Sledghammer and Orange crusher were great compared to the competition. Today technology is more advanced, more companies are spending and researching to build cues specifically for breaking I think the...

It makes sense, payouts, plane tickets etc... but there is still a big difference in charges within the same area. Many leagues in the more expensive areas are losing teams. Leagues with 4, 5, 6, 7 teams only. Some used to have 12-16 teams. It happens mostly because of the increased nightly...

Discrepancy Do the math. At $2.00 a gallon, 10 cents difference is only 5%. League Operators charging from $5-$11 is 120% difference!!! It's just too much of a discrepancy, considering when you get to the regional or National level everyone gets the same amount of price money. You'd think the...

So it seems like an average night on an 8 ball score sheet there are around 8-10 defensive shots listed? I wish APA league or "former" league operators would weigh in. Some people are saying 0-3, sometimes over 15?

shipping companies It depends how you ship it. In the U.S. the shipping times are crazy. If someone ships USPS it can take 5 days to go 200 miles. If they ship UPS ground it's also at a snails pace.

2nd edition I have a 2nd edition. Unfortunately it's not good for too much because the prices are so much lower than the book list things in today's market. The 3rd edition is the same. Some items even half the price. The market for used cues of almost any cue maker is really down today. The...

So basically $11 per person including table fees. Not that bad I guess. In Rockland county (also within $40 miles of NYC) they pay $11 plus table fees. Different league operator. I think $100 miles farther away from NYC (same LO) also paying $11 plus table.

Japan Everything is a lot more expensive in Japan from a beer to cost of parking. I'm sure if they had an APA in South American it would be $1-$3 a person. It's just strange in the U.S. it can apparently range from $5-$11 or more. I'm surprised there are so many "former" APA league operators...

You sound like a league operator defending yourself. People have choices what gym they want to join. If you live in a certain area there are no choices what APA league operator to play under. Most franchised businesses McDonalds/Duncan Donuts or any other are usually within 10% of each others...

What state are you in? How much are you nightly league fees per player? I think we are all paying different amounts. I was wondering what the discrepancy actually is.

Average night....

I'm just wondering in your "average night" of 8 ball scorekeeping how many defensive shots are usually recorded on your score sheet. Understandably some matches are low innings with little or no defensive shots but on the average after 5 matches? 1-4, 4-8, 8-12 or more? What state are you...

importance of wins/loses Of course it does. Yes innings are more important but loses do play into your skill level. Very rarely does someone with a losing record go up in skill level. People that play in several league can manipulate their handicap by padding innings and still trying to win...

attempt Subjective... for me it doesn't make sense. I understand that that is what the rules says. I'm not sure how much thought was put into it. I think the rule should say "if the shooter does not make an attempt to make an obviously makeable ball it will be determined to be a defensive shot...

Defense Everything is subjective. We have a league operator that controls a larger area. Plus he is busy with other things. Does he do a good job.... He doesn't stress or try to stress the defensive scorekeeper issue as much as he should. Obviously it effects the whole area and the system in...

Pictures Why would you even post pictures of something for sale without looking over your pictures first. Especially considering how many times you have listed the cue for sale. For me that's a red flag right there that someone didn't take pride in the cue or take care of it properly.

white stuff I have recently become interested in Jacoby cues when I met Brandon at the APA Nationals and tried the Edge Hybrid Shaft. I loved it. It hit like my 30 year old Meucci playing cue with better feel and control. I bought a 10 year old Jacoby that they are refinishing for me now along...

Sandbagging The most effective way I've seen people do it in my area is they play in one league where they don't care if they finish last. They lose a lot with a lot of innings. In the other league with a serious winning team they play their best. Eventually it evens out with a lower handicap...