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Different era. Where's the ref? Yrs ago, when our 8 ball team, with Scott Smith, me, Billy Stroud, Jr Harris played, Billy was thee only player in the league that Ever averaged over 900. But, back then rules were different. Like they are now in all sports, EVOLVING. If you made only one ball...

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Actually talking with Justin this yr I asked em about Tyler. Ty at Magoos/jr nationals. He said Ty was thee best Jr. player at that time.

Also interesting that other world bodies are starting to get on the same page. At least communicate.

Nice masse'..... thx 109.

I'd like to see what's inside. Are they all 2 1/4 '' red?

Oh, it's just because I never mentioned Mike in the OP.... hell change the thread, then lets talk about Howard Vickery. ;)

Earl/vs Corey.... OP After the fact, B.I. talked allot more about that shot is all. It was a good hit/ball contact draw that Corey hit. Why did you mention Sigel?

I agree.... tho not knowing I had to ask, and by doing that/questioning the situation, that's when matters went south. Opponent started getting mad, raising his voice and got in my face. That's not pool to me........... sooooooooo I uncorked and left. This fairly good player has never beaten...

No gap..... but I think we'd all like to see what you just said. Sounds interesting/impossible/but.

I've seen it done on shafts yrs ago.

Good hit per Gibb Head Referee.

Thx for the link, but nothing was said about getting cue ball draw off a frozen object ball. That's my point, how can you get draw w/o follow thru? I'd like to see that video, that would be great. I did find the tip hardness/soft vs hard contact time very informative. I'm gonna do what Bergman...

This must be an E. Coast Joss. At that time in life, Bill was making his cues here in CO. This looks like a? Danny James? E. Coast Joss. Not sure if I got Dans last name correct. Don't remember Billy having that Joss logo.

??????? But, if you hitting straight into the frozen ball, can you generate draw having no follow thru???????

Can you find a video that we can see?

Is it possible to draw the cue ball back w/o follow thru? I say no. What do you think?

OK.... But Cardone did say ''looks like a foul to me''. And what was strange, the ref was in the background. Billy Incardona knows what he's talking about. I'm sure he know more than the IOS. I just know that to get a cue ball to go forward 3-4 feet and have back spin engage is not possible...

Which ref did you touch base with that said ''the same thing''? Billy Incardonas comments hold some water.

Send this video to one of your local head referees, let us know their responses.