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"By utilizing the inlaid diamonds on the rails of the table the so-called system players have become mere mechanics and not billiard players in the true sense of the word," Schaefer said. "If the diamonds are removed from the table the key to their science is gone..." - Jake Schaefer, 1928...

Averages would go way up because then people would have to play by feel. It might be a month or two once the crutch is removed, you need to rebuild a little strength once you're off crutches, right? but then averages would be higher than ever. I don't get it - I thought diamond systems were a...

How do you figure a basic natural 'diamond system' type 3 rail shot? Just feel? When I found that side rail number system, it was the greatest thing to me. I just instantly know where it's going and then it's easy to adjust from there.

What does? Practice? Everybody practices, very few people are world class. Feel? Lots of people play by feel, very few people are world class. "Endless" calculations lol. 2+3 = 5, hoo boy!

I don't really get the argument anway. Let's say I want to learn to golf. You're saying if I can't get Scottie Scheffler to teach me, there's no point in bothering with lessons? You can only learn from someone who's in the top 1%? If they're not a world class golfer there's no point in...

There's no replacing starting to play at 8 years old and having a father who's a great player to teach you as well. Or just starting young and being surrounded by serious league players. Past 1940 or so, being born American pretty much guaranteed you not being a world class billiard player...

I'll just post them here, if nobody minds. This isn't a busy part of AZB anyway. I have to look up some of this for diagrams, most of it lives in my mind now. I assume you know the Basic Diamond System? You need to know the tracks, like if you hit 30 on the third rail, where will you hit...

There's no system for every ticky or every situation you're going to come across. But for basic tickies there obviously is a system, it's right there. I use it all the time, works really well. There are plenty of times I don't use it and just have to go on feel. But if I absolutely have to...

I just played for a half hour and paid attention to what I was using, if anything. The vast majority of shots either used the basic diamond system, or the side rail numbers system like I pasted in above, or using the 2nd short rail contact point to figure out how to get on the right track. A...

A lot of things I think of as "systems" are more baselines. For example, in the picture, where the ball is on the first rail, if I hit the ball 1/4 ball with a little english, that's where it's going to go. And of course, I know the running lines/tracks that connect rails 2-3-4-5. Half ball...

What's interesting is the side rail numbers are the same as the youtube system above for 3 rail shots, just shifted down one diamond based on the ball hit....or the the english...or something. Those side rail numbers are the most useful system of all.

@bbb A ticky system? I have this from Darrell Paul Martineau's book. His website is gone and I think he's pushing 90 if he's still with us so I don't think I'm stealing from him at this point.

I've been watching those Flaco Billar videos, there's a lot of really good stuff in there. I've come to find out you need to find the Spanish speakers for the good stuff. I found this channel and this particular system. Somehow I never came across this one. It's so simple, easy to remember...

Yes, pretty much. For me modifying the ball hit much is a disaster. Such touchy shots. I start with 1/2 and top and go from there. I love these shots, though, so satisfying to make one. I found this "system" a couple of years ago and I found it works well. Gives a good baseline to start from.

Ah, that makes sense.

Man, how is there somebody in this that's not even shooting a 0.5?

There's no way to sneak the short table here? Seems like two close calls with the red and the red is pretty close to the yellow. If you can dodge the red with reverse, there's gotta be a way to go long rail first off the red, no?

I think it's the Armonia cue he talks about here. I think the shaft is graphite.

Sounds like the title of a Country song