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Last photo This is the rolled up cloth. There's a hole that's disconcerting, but I don't know if that's something to be expected from a removed cloth that can be reused.

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According to the owners who are selling before they move, a table mechanic disassembled this table. They forgot what the mechanic said about the table's brand and model. And they don't remember any name plate. When I went to see it, most of it was wrapped up in bubble wrap, and I just couldn't...

Thank you both!

I'm going to buy and have a table installed some time in December (haven't settled on the actual table yet but narrowing it down), and I want to protect the legs from a possible occasional basement water pooling issue. It hasn't happened in a long time, but I don't trust that it won't happen...

Thanks, maha. I'll do what I can. It's not normally atmospherically too damp in the basement. I don't think there's any problem with water table rising, just perhaps ground sloping and gutter clogging causing a rare wall seepage. Half of our issues were bad A/C coil freezing and overflowing...

Thanks. Yes, I know of those products. The walls in this area are finished however, so I'd have to remove them to seal them. Apparently the way it's supposed to be done is to dig a ditch around the perimeter and place a drain, but that's a small fortune. Most of the problem is that after a few...

Well put, Cuebuddy.

Thanks for the info. I'm glad you got back to me. I think I'll skip these tables and look for a better one. Gold Crowns don't appear to be anywhere under $2800 though from what I've seen recently. There may be a restored Victor Cleveland available near me from Lanza billiards in South Jersey...

Thanks. Are they light enough that they move around when you bump into them? What would a decent player notice about these lighter cheaper tables that makes them a no go? I'm going back and forth whether I should pay the extra money for a better table. These two tables are in the sub-$500...

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Which of these would be a better buy for around the same money? Both are being sold used locally. Thanks!

As great as the best are, they all make mistakes. Nothing wrong with second guessing. If you listen to commentators who happen to be among the best players themselves, much of the time they don't understand or agree with what the player at the table is choosing.

Here is a 219-ball run made by someone who uses the system, so my mind is still open. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD6WDnDc6Oc

Thank you, tonythetiger583. That response is enough for me to give it a rest. Much appreciated.

All right. All right. I'm sorry that I took it to the point where everyone's getting upset. Swest, yes I saw your post, and I appreciate that I'm not the only one who doesn't get it. I am not understanding Stan's and Neil's explanations, but maybe it's just me. At some point, just to satisfy my...

With your baseball pitching analogy? All that suggests is that the pitcher adjusts his aim (visuals) and moves his body (adjusts) accordingly. Stevie Moore claims to have used the same visual and same pivot for two different shot angles. Unless there's another factor he isn't mentioning, there...

Okay, I think we're getting somewhere. Please explain the difference. Although he says he's doing the same thing on both shots, I may be overlooking something that he is doing different in terms of perspective rather than visuals. Please tell me what he is doing different from shot 1 to shot 2...

Indeed! He looked frustrated throughout his run. His position play and shot choices were looser than typical Thorsten. Even so, he ran 82 balls and got through that crazy rack.