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yes, throw is more significant with center ball, maybe that is why the top spin helped in my post above.

I was practicing the same shot except closer to the rail, like 1/4' to 1/2" which gives me more trouble as it is easy to touch the rail and with sensitive cushions can cause a miss. A bystander told me to put some top on the cue ball. It did make the shot much easier. I can't say exactly why...

It worked well for me but ended up off to one side on the end rail. If the 14 was in the middle at the other end it left a thin along the rail cut. I could not get the cue ball to the center of the end rail. I will try the inside spin.

This sounds doable. I am going to experiment with it. I was about to try that in a match of Scotch Doubles but my playing partner looked like he was going to have a heart attack. So I just did the simple bump. To be sure I understand, Bob, I hit the 14 with a slight angle instead of straight...

I tried this and liked it but found one that ends up even better although probably less reliable. Instead of thin angle and zig zag the cue ball I did a straight into the rail from 45 degrees. The cue ball goes straight up the table (no zig zag) and the 8 ball goes off to the side rail about a...

Those are good suggestions. I like the angle best and am experimenting with that one. As for the follow, since the next hit will be a bad hit either way they don't have to worry much about a push or double hit but it seems like it might be harder to judge if they were frozen. Thanks for the tips.

I plan to experiment with that a little to see how it works out. I am hoping someone has a specific set up and angle to help make it predictable. I would be starting from scratch on even where to place the cue ball to make it easiset.

The game is 8 ball. I have ended up on both ends of this situation in the past. So far it has been a contest where someone has ball in hand. Let's say it is the 14 ball player. That often is the result of either the 14 ball player shooting everything else in or the 8 ball player...

It could be my stroke is just not precise enough to meet the expectation I have for the result. I think you posted a comment on this shot about using a drag shot. I am going to experiment with that. Especially as the OB gets closer to the pocket, the top seems to work against me. The top...

Thanks for the tip. I also saw a post by Patrick that intrigued me. I believe he was talking about this shot and mentioned using a drag shot. I get that concept. The low wears off leaving a lot of side spin with less top. I am going to try that as well. I may just be hitting too hard. I...

Your 6 plus side pocket shot off a rail with little or even no angle but coming at the pocket from close to the corner pocket. Just a roll it in straight or almost straight shot into the side pocket. Object ball on or near the spot.

This is a shot I struggle with. I watch the pros do it like it is nothing but it drives me crazy. I miss the shot, follow the ball in, die on the end rail, pretty much do everything except hit it good. I have the same problem on the end rails. There just doesn't seem to be enough angle for me.

He offers a 2 day class in Las Vegas and Arizona. I live in AZ so would be interested. I am looking for anyone who may know of him or has taken lessons from him.

That was my conclusion. If you don't have much angle you have to hit the ball so hard with stun it becomes more difficult. I get Patrick's point about fewer variables but the speed variable becomes so dominant the shot itself becomes more difficult. Perhaps simpler, but harder to execute.

You are right. Each player has a point of view and it may well be the best view for them. As you say, when I started playing (50 years ago) if I put left or right on the cue ball it was all the way over, never just a little. I had no one to teach me, no videos, no instructors, etc. I knew...

Yes. CJ Wiley claims all top level players favor a slight offset, some to the inside some to the outside. He favors the inside to lessen the cue ball action, a "Dead Cue Ball". He calls it floating into position instead of rolling. This offset is really miniscule and could even go unnoticed...

I think that is the answer. There is a place for both and neither method is exclusive of the other nor is either method "easy" to master.

Mine are not so forgiving. Also I have new rails and they are VERY sensitive. You touch the long rail and the ball is not going in. And if you hit hard for position along the short rail it is almost impossible to make a ball. I like the discipline that gives me but think the bumpers might...

One last idea. I took a lesson with Carl Stewart and he presented a totally different view on position. He too favors little or no spin but uses partial pocket aiming to achieve position. This, to me, is WAY harder and not at all my "cup of tea". I have enough trouble aiming for the center...