Classic Joss

ideologist · Apr 11, 2016

Ebony into birdseye, flawless restoration by Dan Axe. If anyone needs a cue cleaned up, he's your man. He described his process of working the shafts as "making them slicker than snot" and that's an understatement. Every part of this cue is dead flush, and silky smooth from head to toe. Thanks so much, Dan!

13mm and 12.75mm shafts, Moori Ruby tips, all parts original except the wrap and micarta ferrules. The old wrap was dried and crusted beyond repair and it's too pretty, and too solid, to let it idle in a case. I will be taking it to the hall for a spin.

Colonel · Apr 11, 2016

That's a great freaking cue right there.

Chopdoc · Apr 11, 2016

Love it. :thumbup:

Bob Farr · Apr 11, 2016

Nice, NICE, VERY NICE!!!!

DaveM · Apr 11, 2016

Very nice cue!

Bigb'scues · Apr 11, 2016

Sweet cue bro lemme know how she moves the rock

Bank it · Apr 11, 2016

I love old Joss Cues, great specimen here

tduncan · Apr 11, 2016

Great cue! he did an excellent job!

Ken_4fun · Apr 11, 2016

Incredible.

I love the cue.

Thanks for sharing..:smile:

Ken

WildWing · Apr 11, 2016

This is a beautiful and unusual Joss. Usually in the point veneers, the white or maple veneer would be on the inside, next to the main ebony point. In this case, the white veneer is on the outside, next to the outer black veneer. I don't think I've seen another Joss like this. Very nice. I would put it at early to mid 70s?

All the best,
WW

Woof Biscuit · Apr 11, 2016

Awesome! I love the veneers.

SmoothStroke · Apr 11, 2016

Beautiful cue, the shafts look nice

ideologist · Apr 12, 2016

WildWing said:
This is a beautiful and unusual Joss. Usually in the point veneers, the white or maple veneer would be on the inside, next to the main ebony point. In this case, the white veneer is on the outside, next to the outer black veneer. I don't think I've seen another Joss like this. Very nice. I would put it at early to mid 70s?

All the best,
WW

18 pin, so 69-70? I know they only used them for a few months. It is the slant logo of the Stroud era. The veneers are Titlist colors, just modified order. I found it very striking. Hits the ball sweet. I installed a redder original KU bumper, it's nice with the phenolic bumper, but even better with the rubber. Just hits it like silk. Easy spin and just responds well.

Chopdoc · Apr 12, 2016

ideologist said:
18 pin, so 69-70? I know they only used them for a few months. It is the slant logo of the Stroud era. The veneers are Titlist colors, just modified order. I found it very striking. Hits the ball sweet. I installed a redder original KU bumper, it's nice with the phenolic bumper, but even better with the rubber. Just hits it like silk. Easy spin and just responds well.

Oh I know you're just reveling like a pig in the cool mud in mid July. :grin:

The phenolic is a nice novelty, but the KU looks right and honestly should play right IMHO. As you say, silky. A Joss like that should have a sufficient "ping" with a rubber bumper, without it might be harsh. I Have never tried mine without the bumper, but you inspired me. I'll post my feelings when I try it.

Definitely an early Joss. And those veneers absolutely rock. The cue needs nothing and I am glad they thought so when it was built. I would take this over most fancier early Joss cues hands down.

I am officially envious. :grin:

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Bank it · Apr 12, 2016

ideologist said:
18 pin, so 69-70? I know they only used them for a few months. It is the slant logo of the Stroud era. The veneers are Titlist colors, just modified order. I found it very striking. Hits the ball sweet. I installed a redder original KU bumper, it's nice with the phenolic bumper, but even better with the rubber. Just hits it like silk. Easy spin and just responds well.

No, no logo in 69-70, I'd say 72-73 considering logo, slant, rings. The most unusual veneers I've ever seen on a Joss, I've never seen another like it & thought I'd seen most. Really an amazing cue.

ideologist · Apr 12, 2016

Bank it said:
No, no logo in 69-70, I'd say 72-73 considering logo, slant, rings. The most unusual veneers I've ever seen on a Joss, I've never seen another like it & thought I'd seen most. Really an amazing cue.

Er, they have the super early logo in 68, slant logo 69-72, block/box logo 72-80...

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Bank it · Apr 12, 2016

ideologist said:
Er, they have the super early logo in 68, slant logo 69-72, block/box logo 72-80...

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I stand corrected then. I had a 69 & 70 I purchased from Tim Scruggs years ago from his personal collection & neither had logos. I based my earlier comment on this. If incorrect I apologize.

Chopdoc · Apr 12, 2016

There are some slight variations in the logos through the early years. Generally it is as Ideologist laid out I think. Though the earlier you go the more exceptions you will find I think. Generally speaking the logo got "messy" for a while after Stroud left. Janes had to learn how to engrave it, Stroud had done it in the beginning. Certainly Stroud engraved that logo I think.

I am aware that some of the earliest cues had no logo. But I don't know how many nor for how long.

One thing that is nice about Joss is that they did start marking the cues pretty early and they standardized their dimensions and construction as they went along. Generally you can screw a shaft from a modern Joss on a block letter Joss and it should fit perfectly. Exceptions to that? Cues like this. It has an 18 pin and they didn't do many. They also did 3/8x10 pins, but again, not many.

The veneers on this Joss are striking. Combine that with the 18 pin and it makes for a spectacular example of this type of cue. Add to that a superb refinish and you have a piece of history that is a seriously beautiful cue and a real player.

No matter what your taste in cues might be, it's hard to beat this.
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TommyT · Apr 12, 2016

I like it...:thumbup:

ideologist · Apr 12, 2016

TommyT said:
I like it...:thumbup:

Thanks Tom!

Here's the bump(er) since this thread is on top again. I need to wipe off the bumper and delrin for the photoshoot when I inevitably sell her. I love the Bushka-style 'burnt siena' KU bumpers.

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