I played for years without a ferrule. I learned early on that in fact you need some help for the wood or it splits. I used tips that had a fiber backing. You could just add a fiber pad for an unbacked tip so that you have a 1mm ferrule.I was wondering what the difference is in a shaft with and without a ferrule? I had a cuemaker ask me if I wanted a ferrule on my shafts.
You said on your shafts...so if a cuemaker is going to build two shafts for you and you're curious about the difference just ask to build one with a ferrule and another ferrule less. Then you'll be able to play them, compare and figure out yourself.I was wondering what the difference is in a shaft with and without a ferrule? I had a cuemaker ask me if I wanted a ferrule on my shafts.
In a way the Revo does have what amounts to a ferrule, the vault plate.I played for years without a ferrule. I learned early on that in fact you need some help for the wood or it splits. I used tips that had a fiber backing. You could just add a fiber pad for an unbacked tip so that you have a 1mm ferrule.
I went without a ferrule starting about 1980 because I realized it reduced the amount of squirt (cue ball deflection). That continued until commercial low-squirt shafts became available and they tended to have ferrules. My current stick doesn't seem to have a ferrule. It's a Revo.
In a way the Revo does have what amounts to a ferrule, the vault plate.
Right!
The tenon and vault plate could be considered a complete ferrule.
I had a Davis/Prince cue that came with no ferrules. Played very well but the hit was soft.
I put a different shaft on with a ferrule and discovered how much the hit really changed.
No ferrule is just too soft a hit for my tastes.
There are options when it comes to the construction of the shaft. In this case at the tip end.
I was wondering what the difference is in a shaft with and without a ferrule? I had a cuemaker ask me if I wanted a ferrule on my shafts.
There are options when it comes to the construction of the shaft. In this case at the tip end. I've played with a "ferrule less" maple shaft once I started lerning and experimenting at cue-building till I've tried and built cf shaft for my player three weeks ago and now I'm switching to it.
Both my maple shaft and cf shaft have the same construction and material "internal" ferrule meaning tenon glued into cf tube. The only difference is the diameter of the tube at the end of my maple shaft and cf tube for cf shaft. Both shafts have pretty crisp hit due to these "ferrules" are made out of moose horn which is very hard and the amount of deflection is pretty similar.
I'm switching to my new cf shaft first of all due to its lower weight which is 3,35 oz while my maple shaft is 4,55 oz (quite heavy but it's almost 31" with pretty hard maple). This switch allows me to lower my extra long cue's weight from 20,74 oz to 19,54 oz with a balance I like more.
P.S. When you know what you're looking for there are different ways to reach it.
All those things are pretty obvious for somebody with a curious mind. I have quite enough experience to understand what is really important and the meaning of each detail either it goes to the construction or any part of the game etc.Did you try this "internal" ferrule on a hollow maple shaft? I would think the shaft would split easily, since it's hoop stress would be high with this internal insert pushing on the hoop during a hit. With the hoop being wood, the stress would go across the wood grain and split it. CF shaft in contrast are laid up so they have a high hoop stress capability all around the circumference.
On traditional shafts, the ferrule is providing the function of the "hoop". It is much stronger than the wood, and that is why the wood does not crack, and why ferrules are generally needed and used for the past 100 years.
To the OP, also as mentioned in a prior post, you have to have your chalking down pat if you get a ferruleless shaft. Otherwise, the chalk will abraid the wood, and you will quickly get a dark blue area of a smaller diameter right below the tip. Impossible to fix because the wood is gone. A ferrule is better at taking this wear and tear because its harder.
No offence...I have quite a few aphorisms either in russian or ukranian and I believe there will be much more lost in translation there.S.V.
I can roll a brick down a hill,
but that doesn't mean I'm gonna replace my car tires with them.
I'm hoping nothing is lost in translation here.