Originally it wasn’t ball-in-hand and you could push out after any shot, right?
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You could push out only if hooked, by your opponent, or yourself. And, rules tended to vary slightly from place to place, usually regionally for the most part. From what I understand, there have been multiple threads here @ pushout ( roll out, 2 fouls bih, etc ) if anyone is interested in seeing these discussions.
It seems like a lot of pre-Texas Express had a bit of an honor system to them. Things that would be too easy to take advantage of in squirrelly ways by today’s professionals.
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I’m pretty sure that I played pretty close to the original when I was a kid.
...in the Carolinas, you just fired at ‘em, even if you were hooked.
...safety play was greatly frowned on.
No push, no ball in hand, just keep hitting the lowest numbered ball on the table.
I think it was Mike Shamos who wrote that it showed up in the 1920s....
...obviously, rotation was the papa.
Ring nine ball today is about like the first nine ball game, I suppose.
Ah yes.....the good ol "honest effort". I pushed out once in a ring game, 5-7-9 money balls with a simple $20 payout instead of paying per ball. Anyway, I'd been hooked about 4 games in a row, down $80 within 10 or 15 minutes. So on my next turn I was hooked again, and instead of kicking at the lowest ball to try to make something happen, I pushed out to jump shot. The guy gave it back and I jumped the ball and got out. He said, "I thought this an honest effort game", and I said, "It is....I chose to give an honest effort to not lose money anymore due to fluke rolls." I told them we were gambling, and I was 100% giving my best effort to win rather than lose. We ended up incorporating the pushout from then on anytime the guy before you got a lucky safe. It's a win-win for everyone. I mean, if you don't get a hit, the incoming player has the option of giving it back, so the same thing applies after you push .
When I played 9-ball in the 1960s, the 9 was worth 2 (bills or points) the 5 and 7 were both worth 1; no BIH, and push-out whenever.
Thanks, I understand the push out rule and how similar with ring games and money balls.
But I'm still wondering who invented the game of 9Ball.
What year, and what where the original rules
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When I was kid in the 60's I asked the same question to some of the old timers. A couple of them said it was conceived as a gambling game by some New York hustlers in the 1920's. It was a way for them to beat the Straight Pool players out of some cash. Puckett told me he was playing 9-Ball for money in the 1930's and there was lots of action already. Around the same time, a shorter version (Six Ball) was dreamed up by someone down South. I was told that it was actually more popular than 9-Ball down there for many years. It was faster and the hustlers liked that.
I’m pretty sure that I played pretty close to the original when I was a kid.
...in the Carolinas, you just fired at ‘em, even if you were hooked.
...safety play was greatly frowned on.
No push, no ball in hand, just keep hitting the lowest numbered ball on the table.
I think it was Mike Shamos who wrote that it showed up in the 1920s....
...obviously, rotation was the papa.
Ring nine ball today is about like the first nine ball game, I suppose.