Consensus "Greatest of All Time" (GOAT) List

dr_dave · Jun 15, 2019

Marc said:
All around no question to me it's Pagulayan, Reyes, SVB, Varner, and Orcollo. In no particular order.

If we talk 9/10 Ball.
There is a 10-15 player tie right away, since a few filipinos,americans and taiwanese qualify for best ever

Archer, Strickland, Yang, Chang Jung Lin, Ko Pin Yi, Wu Jiaqing, Reyes, Bustamante, Varner, Sigel, Orcollo, Biado, Corteza, Chao, Appleton, Immonen, Souquet, Feijen

I think Reyes was very good under pressure and proven to perform his best when the big money was there.
His mental game very very strong, but weak break.

Reyes was no better than Orcollo, Corteza, Bustamante,Chang, ko Pin Yi, Yang at their best.

The best 9/10Ball player Ive ever seen is Chang Jung Lin hands down, with SVB, Orcollo close behind

I probably should have had Jung Lin on the list.

Concerning the others, place your vote per the instructions in the first post.

Thanks,
Dave

dr_dave · Jun 15, 2019

9 Ball Fan said:
I'm sure there have also been some strong players who never had the backing, or national exposure to get into this conversation; but they still had the game. They may not have been able to read a book; but they hung around pool halls with gamblers all their life, etc.

At least, I want to believe there was a hustler out there like Fast Eddie; who could have beaten anyone, if given the chance.......

IMO, hustlers and gamblers who don't excel on the world stage by winning major championships haven't earned GOAT list status.

Regards,
Dave

dr_dave · Jun 15, 2019

LeftyIke said:
I would put Parica on an equal or superior level to Reyes, and any other Filipino. Nobody really wanted to tangle with Parica, and nobody had to like it, or come out on top! I would love to have been able to see Chang Jun-Lin versus Strickland/Siegel/Hall/Reyes/Lassiter in their prime! However, All-Around, I’d have to take Reyes/VarnerHopkins/Parica, since Harold Worst apparently isn’t allowed to be nominated.

If you want your opinion to count, please place your vote per the instructions in the first post.

Thanks,
Dave

dr_dave · Jun 15, 2019

Mick said:
Appleton 4 - Just because I feel he is underrepresented on the list.
Pagulayan 1 - Because Alex.

Edit: If I had 2 more points to use I'd give them to Thorsten and Earl. Thorsten because I think he's underappreciated, and Earl because, despite his personal issues, the dude can flat out play.

FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

Here's the current Top 10 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 136
2 - Earl Strickland - 71
3 - Shane Van Boening - 69
4 - Mike Sigel - 63
5 - Nick Varner - 61
6 - Alex Pagulayan - 54
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 41
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40

Thank you for participating,
Dave

gordml · Jun 15, 2019

Alex Pagulayan 3
SVB 2

Tennesseejoe · Jun 15, 2019

JazzyJeff87 said:
There was a guy once, little known but an absolute killer. Nefarias Bredd was his name.

Also known as No Cash...

Tennesseejoe · Jun 15, 2019

My selections for recently known to American GOAT's:

Efren 1
Alex 1
Strickland 1
Buddy 1
Nick 1

dr_dave · Jun 15, 2019

gordml said:
Alex Pagulayan 3
SVB 2

FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

Here's the current Top 10 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 136
2 - Shane Van Boening - 71
3 - Earl Strickland - 71
4 - Mike Sigel - 63
5 - Nick Varner - 61
6 - Alex Pagulayan - 57
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 41
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40

Thank you for participating,
Dave

dr_dave · Jun 15, 2019

Tennesseejoe said:
My selections for recently known to American GOAT's:

Efren 1
Alex 1
Strickland 1
Buddy 1
Nick 1

FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

Here's the current Top 10 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 137
2 - Earl Strickland - 72
3 - Shane Van Boening - 71
4 - Mike Sigel - 63
5 - Nick Varner - 62
6 - Alex Pagulayan - 58
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40

Thank you for participating,
Dave

Scratch85 · Jun 15, 2019

I am loving the way this “Consensus” is coming together. Obviously 2 & 3 are close as well as 3 & 4. When we are given the green light to spread 5 more points amongst 6-10, I expect some unusual moves. June 30th can’t get here quick enough!

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Chili Palmer · Jun 15, 2019

Scratch85 said:
I am loving the way this “Consensus” is coming together. Obviously 2 & 3 are close as well as 3 & 4. When we are given the green light to spread 5 more points amongst 6-10, I expect some unusual moves. June 30th can’t get here quick enough!

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Agreed, and I vote for a ladies version! I would but have too much going on right now!

Johnny Rosato · Jun 15, 2019

Efren - 2
Earl - 1
Alex - 1
SVB - 1

Scratch85 · Jun 15, 2019

Consensus "Greatest of All Time" (GOAT) List

Edit: Sorry, just realized page 1 has a running total.

Dave, can you list the top 15?

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ricardo · Jun 15, 2019

Reyes - 5

When people consider him as the GOAT without even factoring his best game - 15 ball rotation, that says it all!

LeftyIke · Jun 15, 2019

Reyes-2,Parica-2,Pagulayan-1.

Marc · Jun 15, 2019

All around yes I agree Efren probably was

Reyes 5

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Tin Man · Jun 16, 2019

Goat

My picks:

Efren - 2
SVB - 1
Nick - 1
Alex - 1

kkdanamatt · Jun 16, 2019

It's obvious that Efren is #1, so he doesn't need my vote(s).
Considering all games (1-P, 14.1, 9B, 8B, etc.), Pagulayan probably deserves top billing.
So.....
Pagulayan-5

dr_dave · Jun 16, 2019

Scratch85 said:
I am loving the way this “Consensus” is coming together. Obviously 2 & 3 are close as well as 3 & 4. When we are given the green light to spread 5 more points amongst 6-10, I expect some unusual moves. June 30th can’t get here quick enough!

I agree that we don't need to wait until June 30. I will start 2nd-round voting with the Top 10 tomorrow.

Regards,
Dave

dr_dave · Jun 16, 2019

Johnny Rosato said:
Efren - 2
Earl - 1
Alex - 1
SVB - 1

FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

Here's the current Top 10 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 139
2 - Earl Strickland - 73
3 - Shane Van Boening - 72
4 - Mike Sigel - 63
5 - Nick Varner - 62
6 - Alex Pagulayan - 59
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40

Thank you for participating,
Dave

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