What Brunswick did you have? Never seen one with a shelf that deep.
9-Ball ghost challenge on my new Diamond 9 footer
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It was an old 1924 Brunswick Madison. Originally had buckets for pockets, and the skate ledge sloped into the pocket, couldn't miss a ball if you tried. I drilled a couple of holes into the edge of the slate at each corner pocket, installed metal pins, then made some deep grooves with a hacksaw, then added pocket depth using figerglass and bondo body filler. Did it about 20 years ago. I shimmed the pockets also and made the facing angles 138°. It played tough. Shooting firm and barely missing looks like this.....https://youtu.be/3bggwEO0jaI
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Got ya, thanks.
Never noticed that but my experience with new cloth has been on easier tables.
If you watch match streams on Diamonds w/new Simonis a lot of balls go that won't as the cloth wears in. We have one in our room with old Simonis and its tuff as hell.
As mentioned above, play WITHOUT ball in hand after the break. More realistic that way.
How many racks can you run without ball in hand and without the use of a racking aid? That's why the table seams to play so easy.
I think you guys are focusing on the wrong things. Triangle will give less open layouts a lot and no BIH will definitely give you a lower score against the ghost but neither of those affect how the table plays
ditto.......
You are spot-on as to shelf. I just emailed Diamond and they sent me a pic with tape measure in pocket. Depth is 2".
And when those facings aren't as slick anymore, that 2" shelf plays pretty tough!
I've seen some of small Diamond barboxes with deep shelves also, between 1.5 and 2 inches, and they play tougher than my 8ft pro am table.
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I try to tell this to anyone who will listen, playing with brand new 860 (HR or not) Simonis is like playing a different game, you can't keep the balls from going down. I play on mine A LOT when its new so it doesn't start to hurt my game...that's how sloppy it is.
If that was the true pocket shelf depth, then placing a ball as deep inside the pocket as it can go, being a 2 1/4" ball, only about a 1/4" of the ball would be showing. But go ahead and place a ball as deep as you can, and see if only a out 60% or less fits in the pockets!
Can you post the pic?
Put a ball against a corner pocket facing on the long rail side, as far back in the pocket as it'll go without falling in. Then go to the far end of the table, look down the nose of the cushions at the object ball. It's easier if you use a strip ball, turn it so the strip faces the long rail.
So when you're looking down the rail, how much ove the object ball can you see sticking out of the pocket, how much in the pocket??
I took a picture of a stripe ball in one my my pro-am corners using 2.25" ball.
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Maybe mine are 2 inches. I'll measure when I get home.
