OK, here's a test for all of you if you want to really know what's going on with Little Mike's system or Shishkebob. I'm going to give you the NUGGETS of all NUGGETS.
It isn't my test for you. It's YOUR test for YOU to find out what all of this does or doesn't do based on the visuals and your cue. My results might not be the same as yours or yours not the same as another player You have to see what you get for YOU.
Put the CB on the head spot for all the shots. Stick a notebook reinforcement ring in the middle of the table between the two side pockets where the OB will be placed either right on it or off to the side.
I like slightly off to the side so the reinforcement doesn't affect the OB sliding off.
Make absolutely certain if you were to hit center to center with a good stroke the alignment for the two would hit the middle diamond on the foot end rail.
First shot is to aim CENTER CB to CENTER OB and PIVOT the tip of your cue OUTSIDE 1/2 way to CENTER and EDGE of the OB. Strike the shot multiple times and see where it hits on the end rail. Do this over and over to get a good idea of how the pivot affects where the OB ends up on the rail.
Then aim CENTER CB to CENTER OB and PIVOT the tip of your cue to the OUTSIDE EDGE of the OB. Do it both with the center of your tip and the inside portion of your tip to the edge.
WHERE DOES THE OB HIT THE RAIL OR GO?
Also align one tip inside on the CB to the center of the OB and pivot the tip of your cue back to the CENTER of the CB. Where does the OB go? What happens when you start one tip inside of the CB aiming to the center of the OB and pivot halfway between center and edge on the OB?
With my cue, I can make the OB go INTO THE POCKET. What do YOU GET? Personally, I get a greater cut angle when starting from the INSIDE pivoting back to center. Also keep in mind when you align from the inside your centers to center are slightly different than when you're center to center straight on. Just sayin'.
Until you get this down pat and know what is going on, we go no further. More guys than 1 or 2 need to be on board.
It's not about my game and understanding, it's yours.
I am a lurker here, but I am game to try this. I will post my results. Thanks for all the information Spider and others.
I have been experimenting with Shishkebob since Stan posted his visual version video. I really like the system.
I have also experimented with "Split the Difference", but I find an inside pivot to be much more natural.
Using either system I am still having some trouble as the distance of the shot gets longer.
Also having trouble with the angles between CCB to OB 1/4 -> and CCB to CBE -> OB edge. So thanks for the tips on the previous.
This is how I have been thinking about identifying the shots, in increasing strength of cut. Gleaning some labels for the STD video.
Straight - Aim - OB 12 O’Clock position (as per Mike’s tip in latest video)
Almost Straight - CBC to OBC -> inside offset -> Pivot CCB
Not Almost Straight - CBC to OB Opposite 1/4 -> inside offset -> Pivot CCB
Boomerang / Horizon - CBC to OBE (no pivot)
Hard Cut - CCB to OBE -> inside offset -> Pivot CCB
Harder Cut - CBE to OB Opposite 1/4 -> inside offset -> Pivot CCB
Hardest Cut - CBE to OB Opposite 1/8 -> inside offset -> Pivot CCB
Edge to Edge - CBE to OBE (no pivot - visual offset)
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The pivot seems to me to be dependent on the distance of the shot, and I am still working that out for from feel and experience.